When gas hits $5/gallon or higher there's no ICE vehicle that's a good universal solution either unless someone likes burning money.
We're chasing unicorns here.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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When gas hits $5/gallon or higher there's no ICE vehicle that's a good universal solution either unless someone likes burning money.
We're chasing unicorns here.
My gas price ranges from $4.60 to $6.00 in the past year or two.
What are my great universal solutions for a car that runs on gas only?
Why does a gas car get to have this gigantic glaring expensive flaw but an EV has to solve every problem for every consumer?
- If building refurbishment/retrofitting for higher energy efficiency was being heavily pushed or mandated, we’d hear people arguing about how we should be doing something about transportation instead. It’s a way to try to discourage any change - always arguing we should be doing something about that instead of this. It’s not an either/or situation.
- What’s more feasible, transitioning a majority of our vehicles over a couple decades or completely rebuilding/renovating our building stock in that time? The average lifespan of a car is around 14 years. The average lifespan of a building is significantly longer.
- Greenhouse gas emissions for an EV are around 30% of an ICE vehicle (depending on source of power generation). What kind of retrofitting or rebuilding (and at what cost) would be necessary to get a similar amount of reduction from our buildings?
No make or brand is.
The difference is ICE trucks don’t have people propagating the stupid **** about them
I agree with some of what you say. But if consumers focus on less than 20% of greenhouse gas sources (autos/LD Trucks/SUV's) will there ever be enough of an impact?
There have been renewable inroads in electricity production over the last 15 years, but the number I've seen is 60% of electricity in US is still generated from greenhouse gas emitting sources. And if EV utilization jumps, how will that demand be met?
Home building and retrofitting is a long-term initiative, but that is precisely the reason it needs to be aggressively attacked in 2024 and not 2040. Because you are right, people who are building 3000 square foot homes are planning for those structures to be standing for a century. And the main systems to last for the next 20+ years.
But another approach is consumption changes by homeowners on heating, cooling and water temperature preferences and usage levels. Those changes could be implemented through education (best practices) and encourage behavior changes in the next 5-10 years.
I am guessing, but there probably isn't a larger carbon footprint than a house. Let's get rid of houses......hahaha. I know u aren't saying that, but where do we start and stop this conversation? Nothing major is going to happen until an economic breakthru on solar or embracing nuclear power. Until then, or a major breakthrough that is new, we are twiddling our thumbs. Especially with agreements like the Paris Accord that give India and China somewhat free reign to do what they want for the next 30 (??) years.
I know, we should listen to the 200 smartest people that all flew private jets to their conference to tell us how to live our lives. Sorry, different topic.
It won’t have enough of an impact alone, but it’s not an either/or.
The fact is, almost every car on the road today won’t be in 15 years. The car that replaces it could be electric, or it could be another ICE, but either way it’s going to be replaced. Transitioning to EVs is probably one of the easiest steps we can take to make a difference.
I’m in the decarbonization/GHG industry and this isn’t accurate. Emissions related to homes are 2x that of an average vehicle.
Also, our electricity grid continues to get cleaner and cleaner each year as a whole.
This attitude of “well, this one change won’t solve things” is what holds us back. Of course it won’t but this is no magic bullet here. It takes dozens, even hundreds, of deliberate changes to add up to make an impact on emissions. The US can and should lead by example for the rest of the world to build the roadmap to significantly reduce emissions. Everyone wants simple, quick fixes - neither which exist here.
Haven't really noticed many on the roads but have seen them on display at the MN State Fair the last few years.
Around here I have seen one Genesis, 0 Polestar. Lots of Teslas and a growing number of Rivians. Out of the more traditionals, I have seen a couple Fords and a VW or two.
After the latest info on how evs deal with weather extremes, both cold and heat, I don't think I could put much trust in their tech, (or lack thereof).
Throw an Elon log on that fire, and the forest is in serious danger...
I agree on no quick fix.
When u compute the emissions on a house, are you computing emissions after the house was built? Does it include the co2 that was given to make shingles, concrete, aluminum, steel, copper, plastic etc, plus the inbound freight to a building supplier and then the freight to the homesite?
No, those are known as Scope 3 emissions. You can include those but then you have to include Scope 3 emissions for the car parts too. Generally, to keep things less complex, people are working to address Scope 1 (direct emissions) and Scope 2 (emissions from purchasing energy) and are still figuring out how to address Scope 3 (supplier materials, transport, etc).
We are in agreement.
If the world saw how rare earth minerals are found and developed for batteries (scope 3) they would be appalled. I am sure new technology is coming within a decade on how to "mine" these, but China and India will be the last to adhere to these standards, if they ever would.
An update on my 2023 Chevy Bolt.
Well, we just surpassed the 3,000 mile mark since purchasing it in October. For what our Chevy Bolt is, it has surpassed every measure I have for it.
Let me be upright and honest about its faults first. It is not a vehicle we will be taking the family on a long distance vacation. It just doesn't get enough miles without needing a charge, the charging infrastructure is insufficient, and the charge time to get from approx. 20% to 80% is not practical. I have not timed how long it takes to get from 20%-80%, having only charged it partially on a level 3 charger once when we've had it, but there are articles on the internet from well esteemed sources that state it is the slowest charging vehicle (by far) on the market. Those sources have said it can charge up to 100 miles in 30 minutes and 160 miles in an hour. Far too slow if you are cross country travelling. For comparison, the Hyundai Ioniq5 (which costs over $40,000) can charge 160 miles in 12 minutes. The Bolt is for driving to and from work, taking the kids where they need to go, shopping, and getting chores done.
On another note, the Bolt does not have some of the things I have become comfortable with in my life. It does not have a convenient to access place for my sunglasses. It does not have a slide-out for the visor to cover a larger area of sunlight. and lastly, it doesn't have an integrated garage door opener. But these are all nit-picky things that I have made compromising solutions for.
On a scratch note, Chevrolet offered up to $1250 to install a level 2 charger in my home. Unfortunately, our breaker box was on the opposite end of our house from the garage. We had to cover an additional $600 for the installation cost. The process to setup the installation with the 3rd party corporation Chevrolet hired for the process and the 4th party electrician company was rather seamless and would have only taken a couple weeks had I not thought the installation should be cheaper. I had them set up multiple quotes for the job and ended up going with the 1st electrician. I was pleased with their professionalism and performance.
That being said, here are all the positives. The performance of the Bolt is more than adequate. It is not a sports performance vehicle, not is it only a grocery getter. It has immediate torque and acceleration. It overall just works. It gets me from point A to point B. I generally charge every couple days. I have it set to charge during off-peak electrical hours (we have solar panels) and by the time I go to the gym, it is charge up and ready to go when I need it.
Sometimes, I start the vehicle before I leave and it is comfortably warm when I get in. I was confused at first, because I didn't quite understand what was working when I auto-start it. Come to find out, it pretty much turns on the parking lights and the seat warmers. This make sit nice and cozy when I get in without turning on any interior fans. The ride is quite quiet and no motor vibration to speak of.
It has Apple car installed and a very large infotainment screen. It makes the one in our man-van look dinky in comparison. Which, at one time I thought was nice-sized. Also, the leg room in the back is great. For as small as it is, it is quite spacious. No complaints from any passengers thus far.
Let's be honest. It is not a looker. It does not look cool. It is on par with the stylings of the Nissan Leaf. Even the Prius looks cooler. But the value. I can't talk about the value enough. When all is said and done (with $7,500 tax credit), this vehicle will cost us less than $27,000. This includes taxes, level 2 charger/installation, weatherproof floor mats and roof rack. I can't complain. I don't know an equivalent ICE vehicle we could get for that price that has all the safety features it has with leather seating and heated/cooled seats. Maybe you all know a few, but whatever you find, they are comparable prices I bet.
Some neither her nor there things. When stomping on the accelerator, there is a noticeable pull to the right. I guess that is the drive side. The lane monitoring software can get annoying. Sometimes I am lazy and change lanes without putting on the blinker if nobody is around. You can feel the vehicle trying to correct course and resist the lane change. Also, When parking in a stall on the right. I cannot seem to park down the middle. There seems to be a bit of a blind spot in the right front corner that I cannot compensate for. I frequently park on the far right end of the parking stall. I don't get it and it is humorously frustrating to admit.
Lastly, I don't know what I am looking at under the hood. I can recognize some things, but for the most part I am at a lost for a lot of what is there. I tell you all this because I have done a lot of work on a lot of vehicles. I have pulled engines, replaced heads, replaced transmissions, oil pans, coolant lines, brakes, pads, brake lines, clutches, clutch lines, rear seals, air conditioners, alternators, brakes, mufflers, plugs, injectors, radiators, oil filter housings, etc,. There is very little I recognize under the hood and it is intimidating. My neighbor and I recognized the battery, the air conditioner lines, brake booster, wiper fluid and coolant reservoirs (there seems to be a few and I don't know why). I don't know if we found the power steering fluid reservoir or not.
In the end, we drive our vehicle until they are unreliable. So, we really don't care about trad-in value or resale value. Depreciation doesn't really matter in our case. So I don't how much of a factor that is when it comes to battery and motor and the like.
Sorry for the long response. I just thought I would update you all.
Well, we just surpassed the 3,000 mile mark since purchasing it in October. For what our Chevy Bolt is, it has surpassed every measure I have for it.
Let me be upright and honest about its faults first. It is not a vehicle we will be taking the family on a long distance vacation. It just doesn't get enough miles without needing a charge, the charging infrastructure is insufficient, and the charge time to get from approx. 20% to 80% is not practical. I have not timed how long it takes to get from 20%-80%, having only charged it partially on a level 3 charger once when we've had it, but there are articles on the internet from well esteemed sources that state it is the slowest charging vehicle (by far) on the market. Those sources have said it can charge up to 100 miles in 30 minutes and 160 miles in an hour. Far too slow if you are cross country travelling. For comparison, the Hyundai Ioniq5 (which costs over $40,000) can charge 160 miles in 12 minutes. The Bolt is for driving to and from work, taking the kids where they need to go, shopping, and getting chores done.
On another note, the Bolt does not have some of the things I have become comfortable with in my life. It does not have a convenient to access place for my sunglasses. It does not have a slide-out for the visor to cover a larger area of sunlight. and lastly, it doesn't have an integrated garage door opener. But these are all nit-picky things that I have made compromising solutions for.
On a scratch note, Chevrolet offered up to $1250 to install a level 2 charger in my home. Unfortunately, our breaker box was on the opposite end of our house from the garage. We had to cover an additional $600 for the installation cost. The process to setup the installation with the 3rd party corporation Chevrolet hired for the process and the 4th party electrician company was rather seamless and would have only taken a couple weeks had I not thought the installation should be cheaper. I had them set up multiple quotes for the job and ended up going with the 1st electrician. I was pleased with their professionalism and performance.
That being said, here are all the positives. The performance of the Bolt is more than adequate. It is not a sports performance vehicle, not is it only a grocery getter. It has immediate torque and acceleration. It overall just works. It gets me from point A to point B. I generally charge every couple days. I have it set to charge during off-peak electrical hours (we have solar panels) and by the time I go to the gym, it is charge up and ready to go when I need it.
Sometimes, I start the vehicle before I leave and it is comfortably warm when I get in. I was confused at first, because I didn't quite understand what was working when I auto-start it. Come to find out, it pretty much turns on the parking lights and the seat warmers. This make sit nice and cozy when I get in without turning on any interior fans. The ride is quite quiet and no motor vibration to speak of.
It has Apple car installed and a very large infotainment screen. It makes the one in our man-van look dinky in comparison. Which, at one time I thought was nice-sized. Also, the leg room in the back is great. For as small as it is, it is quite spacious. No complaints from any passengers thus far.
Let's be honest. It is not a looker. It does not look cool. It is on par with the stylings of the Nissan Leaf. Even the Prius looks cooler. But the value. I can't talk about the value enough. When all is said and done (with $7,500 tax credit), this vehicle will cost us less than $27,000. This includes taxes, level 2 charger/installation, weatherproof floor mats and roof rack. I can't complain. I don't know an equivalent ICE vehicle we could get for that price that has all the safety features it has with leather seating and heated/cooled seats. Maybe you all know a few, but whatever you find, they are comparable prices I bet.
Some neither her nor there things. When stomping on the accelerator, there is a noticeable pull to the right. I guess that is the drive side. The lane monitoring software can get annoying. Sometimes I am lazy and change lanes without putting on the blinker if nobody is around. You can feel the vehicle trying to correct course and resist the lane change. Also, When parking in a stall on the right. I cannot seem to park down the middle. There seems to be a bit of a blind spot in the right front corner that I cannot compensate for. I frequently park on the far right end of the parking stall. I don't get it and it is humorously frustrating to admit.
Lastly, I don't know what I am looking at under the hood. I can recognize some things, but for the most part I am at a lost for a lot of what is there. I tell you all this because I have done a lot of work on a lot of vehicles. I have pulled engines, replaced heads, replaced transmissions, oil pans, coolant lines, brakes, pads, brake lines, clutches, clutch lines, rear seals, air conditioners, alternators, brakes, mufflers, plugs, injectors, radiators, oil filter housings, etc,. There is very little I recognize under the hood and it is intimidating. My neighbor and I recognized the battery, the air conditioner lines, brake booster, wiper fluid and coolant reservoirs (there seems to be a few and I don't know why). I don't know if we found the power steering fluid reservoir or not.
In the end, we drive our vehicle until they are unreliable. So, we really don't care about trad-in value or resale value. Depreciation doesn't really matter in our case. So I don't how much of a factor that is when it comes to battery and motor and the like.
Sorry for the long response. I just thought I would update you all.