What program has come further along...
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Being an ISU fan/alum, I am going to go with ISU. Although Kansas State has beat us the past 2 years, we have won a bowl game. I think that the main goal for any coach every year is to get into the post season and get a win. Of course there are other goals, but this is one that is towards the top.
It's pretty hard to compare the two by records since KSU played an easy schedule last year and we played an average one. Now this year KSU plays a more respectable schedule but we have the #1 schedule in the nation.
I'll say KSU has come a little further than ISU because they beat us twice in two very close games on a neutral field. But then I can look at Rhoads age and that he is an Iowan and then look at Snyder's age and say that brings it back to a draw in the big picture.
Both programs are easily headed in a better direction than Kansas and Colorado, not that CU matters long term anyway. I knew the minute KU fired Mangino that they were headed downhill big time losing their best coach and best players ever. Even if Turner Gill is the right guy he is a few years behind ISU and KSU now.
Ask me that question two years from now after both teams have played 6 games and you will receive an answer based on better evidence. Both coaches are playing kids they did not recruit and kids that are far from ideal for their systems.
KSUs offense is Thomas and Thomas only? Snyder recruited him. ISU on the offensive side actually lacks less (qb) as he does not fit the spread offense.
This makes sense but don't you also have to make an adjustment 2 years from now for a coach in his mid 40s who looks to possibly be a "long haul guy" and a coach in what? his mid 70s?
Recruiting and developing your own players is important but realistically how many more recruiting classes can he bring in and develop? We all know JoePa is in more of a supervisory role.
There's no doubt Snyder has shown if he's healthy and at the top of his game he's the best coach on Earth for KSU, just the reality of the situation is he's getting old.
KSU is only because their line blocks well and they have an outstanding RB that can do it all. Synder also understands how to playcall a game.
Thomas was a Ron Prince recruit but did not qualify scholastically. He attended another year of juco to attempt to qualify but still had to go to summer school at four year school to gain admission. Snyder looked at his films and decided he wanted him as a QB. When he arrived last fall, Snyder realized he did not have an accurate enough arm to play QB and moved him to running back.
I would say Iowa State. Rhoads was brought in a situation far worse I believe than K-State, and made a bowl last year and has stayed pretty competitive with the players at ISU right now.
KSU's record from 2006-2008: (1 different coach)
7-6
5-7
5-7
ISU's record from 2006-2008: (2 different coaches and systems)
4-8
3-9
2-10
KSU's record from 2006-2008: (1 different coach)
7-6
5-7
5-7
ISU's record from 2006-2008: (2 different coaches and systems)
4-8
3-9
2-10
Even if he had a pretty decent arm, he looks like the PROTOTYPE running back. I'm no NFL scout, but I can't imagine him not being able to rush at the next level.
Obviously they can't run him every single play, but that backup #20 looks pretty good. If they'd have passed even less than they did and spelled Thomas with #20 running more instead of spelling Thomas by passing I think the game is not as close.
The one pass play that was successful for KSU really should have been a penalty against KSU instead of a gain.
Yes, Bill Snyder is getting old. He is 70. Most people do not realize how much of the game planning and play calling at KSU is done by Dana Dimel, co-offensive coordinator and running backs coach. He spends game days in the press box and not on the sidelines.
Bingo! He's got an old school approach, basically saying I'm going to do one thing great until you stop, which sets you up for the entire arsenal. This is a guy who never jumped on a the latest "fad" in football. He's done what he's done well for a long time, very few coaches are able to say that their offense doesn't have a label(Spread,Pro,West Coast etc...) but he is one. He is great at playing to his teams strengths, which is exactly what you need at schools like KState and Iowa St. We can't expect to hand pick guys to fit our system at this point, we need to play the hand we're dealt until we get guys in there who fit into what Herman and Co want to do. Ask Bill Callahan or Rich Rod how square pegs fit into round holes.
Do you forget that Bill Snyder has coached before??? At KSU too???
CPR is in his 2nd year ever as a head coach. He is still learning things.
Why is this so flippin hard for Cyclone fans. I would think an experience coach like Snyder would turn a program around faster. Wow our fans are stupid.
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I think KSU and Snyder build thier programs differently than ISU. Snyder has always went the JUCO route....all his teams from the past had a majority of JUCO transfers, which works out well for wins now however you saw what happened when Snyder left.....the KSU program was a dominant force for what 8 years, but when Prince came it all fell apart within a matter of a season...this is because they didn't have any developed talent it was brought in from JUCO colleges and i believe Snyder took that list with him.
ISU is doing it the right way by trying to get kids from high school and develop them over a 4-5 year period, which takes longer but in theory they should be the better for it. I think ISU's problem was all the coaching transitions over the past 5 years, kids dont want to go to a topsy turvey program. Give Paul and his staff five years, and I think you will see the difference between ISU and the KSTATE programs.
They are built for winning now, we are building to win in 4-5 years.
ISU is doing it the right way by trying to get kids from high school and develop them over a 4-5 year period, which takes longer but in theory they should be the better for it. I think ISU's problem was all the coaching transitions over the past 5 years, kids dont want to go to a topsy turvey program. Give Paul and his staff five years, and I think you will see the difference between ISU and the KSTATE programs.
They are built for winning now, we are building to win in 4-5 years.
K-State's defense misses Vic Koenning as a coordinator; they're aren't as aggressive as last year.
Snyder is one of the best coaches in college football history. Another thing I find amazing about K-State's winning consistency is the fact that his assistants were always moving up in the coaching ranks and he had to know the right coaches to bring in and which ones to promote from within. Any other team in America has a meltdown when they lose coordinators whether they be fired or whatever. He is truly a genius.