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[Go2Guy]

Jamie Pollard is not going to terminate CSP after the season. He will be granted a "COVID pass" and will return for at least one more year. (Unfortunately)

A month ago the consensus of posters said we don't have the 'buy-out' money, especially in a down revenue year. Now it appears everybody says he will be gone.

Which is it folks; did we all of a sudden get donors for the buy out, or does Prohm get a Covid pass and return next year?

 

[cyclones500]

I don't think those two were on the team that year, I'll have to look it up.

They were.

I can't vouch for which player was guarding Twin Towers, or maybe it each of them was.

 

[clone2003]

The team is terrible this year, but Prohm is essentially a victim of his own recruiting success IMO as two of his top recruits (Halliburton and Horton-Tucker) are playing real NBA minutes. Not making excuses, but schools like Iowa State aren't going to have First Round talent on the roster every year - let alone every other year. The roster has a lot of pieces that don't seem to fit together, while also needing to be infused with more high-end talent like Halliburton and Horton-Tucker for us to return to respectability.

 

[CycloneErik]

Steve Prohm took over a top 10 team. How bad of a coach do you have to be to lead the program to this?

A level of bad we've never seen before, and hope never to see again.

 

[ISUTex]

Say you're coach Prohm and have made enough money to secure yourself and family for many years.
You're also a great man, and most agree it's a shame he couldn't have succeeded.
Do you take a greatly reduced buyout and tell ISU fans it wasn't about the money and wish us well?
Or.....

Does anybody know Prohm that well personally? He seems like a good guy. Maybe he's a ****. Who really knows? I don't know the guy, nor do I give a ****. All I know is that he doesn't need to be ISU's coach after this season. If I were Prohm, I would make ISU fire me and get paid. That's what contracts are for.

 

[ISUTex]

The team is terrible this year, but Prohm is essentially a victim of his own recruiting success IMO as two of his top recruits (Halliburton and Horton-Tucker) are playing real NBA minutes. Not making excuses, but schools like Iowa State aren't going to have First Round talent on the roster every year - let alone every other year. The roster has a lot of pieces that don't seem to fit together, while also needing to be infused with more high-end talent like Halliburton and Horton-Tucker for us to return to respectability.

He also recruited a bunch of SWAC level beta players after Halliburton and Tucker. That's on him.

 

[Thompsonclone]

The team is terrible this year, but Prohm is essentially a victim of his own recruiting success IMO as two of his top recruits (Halliburton and Horton-Tucker) are playing real NBA minutes. Not making excuses, but schools like Iowa State aren't going to have First Round talent on the roster every year - let alone every other year. The roster has a lot of pieces that don't seem to fit together, while also needing to be infused with more high-end talent like Halliburton and Horton-Tucker for us to return to respectability.

He had a chance to change that but he landed Anderson, Leech, Grill, Jackson, Blackwell, Dubar and Jackson.

 

[ISUTex]

The only question at this point for me is-- When does JP make a decision? Fire CSP a day after our loss in the Big12 tourney, or wait hoping Prohm finds something else and we avoid the buyout.

Who would hire Prohm with a buy out after the last two seasons? That would be like, the dumbest thing ever.

 

[Statefan10]

A month ago the consensus of posters said we don't have the 'buy-out' money, especially in a down revenue year. Now it appears everybody says he will be gone.

Which is it folks; did we all of a sudden get donors for the buy out, or does Prohm get a Covid pass and return next year?

I think it more has to do with the fact that people did not think we were going to be this bad.. This could end up being the worst basketball team in the history of Iowa State. You add that onto a horrible year last year and a horrible year 3 years ago and now it's about the boosters and JP knowing this is a lost cause and needs to end.

Talking strictly $$, we'll lose more money being bad with CSP in the next 10 years, than we would if he's no longer our head coach and we can find a good replacement (can't be much worse). It's well worth the risk at this point.

 

[Statefan10]

He had a chance to change that but he landed Anderson, Leech, Grill, Jackson, Blackwell, Dubar and Jackson.

And lets not brush over the fact that he had Wigginton, Lard, Shayok, Nick Babb, Talen Horton-Tucker and Tyrese Haliburton on 1 team and that team went 9-9 in conference play.

 

[Neptune78]

Who would hire Prohm with a buy out after the last two seasons? That would be like, the dumbest thing ever.

Not saying it would be a smart move, but some school will hire him. It won't be a good program like McDormatt lucked into, but somebody will hire him.
Regarding the buyout, if Steve approached JP a day after the season ended saying he found another job, I'm sure the response would be-- "We're good. Good luck."

 

[moores2]

 

[BCClone]

Not saying it would be a smart move, but some school will hire him. It won't be a good program like McDormatt lucked into, but somebody will hire him.
Regarding the buyout, if Steve approached JP a day after the season ended saying he found another job, I'm sure the response would be-- "We're good. Good luck."

I would imagine that JP is helping to find a landing spot for Steve. Do that and give him a 1 MM severance and we are both better off. My son asked me why any team would hire him with a buyout in there, I just said that I'm pretty sure that it is being known that the buyout will be waived for any team that hires.

 

[pdxclone]

The team is terrible this year, but Prohm is essentially a victim of his own recruiting success IMO as two of his top recruits (Halliburton and Horton-Tucker) are playing real NBA minutes. Not making excuses, but schools like Iowa State aren't going to have First Round talent on the roster every year - let alone every other year. The roster has a lot of pieces that don't seem to fit together, while also needing to be infused with more high-end talent like Halliburton and Horton-Tucker for us to return to respectability.

Last year they were good? Sure they got hot for a week and won the League tourney the year before that. They were not a good team the previous week. You must not have sat thru that embarrassment of home performances that year.

 

[NoCreativity]

The team is terrible this year, but Prohm is essentially a victim of his own recruiting success IMO as two of his top recruits (Halliburton and Horton-Tucker) are playing real NBA minutes. Not making excuses, but schools like Iowa State aren't going to have First Round talent on the roster every year - let alone every other year. The roster has a lot of pieces that don't seem to fit together, while also needing to be infused with more high-end talent like Halliburton and Horton-Tucker for us to return to respectability.

So Prohm is the only coach in college basketball that deals with players going to the NBA?

Im happy for guys that go on to have success in the NBA and leave school early, but my major problem with Prohm is if he gets guys like this he better be doing something with them while they are on campus. He had 3 of the best recruits in the the history of Iowa State for parts of 3 different seasons and didnt even win a tournament game with any of them.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

And lets not brush over the fact that he had Wigginton, Lard, Shayok, Nick Babb, Talen Horton-Tucker and Tyrese Haliburton on 1 team and that team went 9-9 in conference play.

You know.....he gets his moving papers after this year I will have no problem. But what's your point? That he "underachieved". Why keep doing this? I have been reading recently how it will take a miracle to get to 5-7 conference wins next year no matter who is coach. Really? The 18-19 team that "just" went 9-9 was 5 games better than the previous season with only 2 players of consequence from the previous season....Babb and Wiggs. And let's not forget that Wiggs was an early injury? That Lard was..........well? That Talley was.....well, with Lard? So it is entirely possible with some retaining of the current roster and other additions for someone to do much better than this year....even CSP if only 5-7 league wins is the mark. I guess I don't get the constant need to try and "re-image" anything good that happened under Steve Prohm. Do you enjoy doing this? Is there this need to throw dirt on the past so the next coach will have no standards of which to meet i.e. Morgan/GMAC? Yeah, remember that BS side show on this site. Or is all this "re-imaging" strictly out of boredom from the long. long winter? Regardless.......I just don't understand the need to brow beat a 23 win season from the past during the current 2 win season.

Forgive me if I misunderstood.

 

[CycloneErik]

Who would hire Prohm with a buy out after the last two seasons? That would be like, the dumbest thing ever.

If someone does it, I want to see how they sell it to their fans.
Maybe memes like "double digit wins over 2 seasons" or "didn't lose 20 every year, just the last 2?"

 

[CloneJD]

If someone does it, I want to see how they sell it to their fans.
Maybe memes like "double digit wins over 2 seasons" or "didn't lose 20 every year, just the last 2?"

Coaches that sucked in P5 get chances at lower levels. Todd Licklighter is coaching in the MVC.

He'll coach again. (maybe with a term as an assistant in between). Who knows, he could be successful at wherever he lands.

 

[Statefan10]

You know.....he gets his moving papers after this year I will have no problem. But what's your point? That he "underachieved". Why keep doing this? I have been reading recently how it will take a miracle to get to 5-7 conference wins next year no matter who is coach. Really? The 18-19 team that "just" went 9-9 was 5 games better than the previous season with only 2 players of consequence from the previous season....Babb and Wiggs. And let's not forget that Wiggs was an early injury? That Lard was..........well? That Talley was.....well, with Lard? So it is entirely possible with some retaining of the current roster and other additions for someone to do much better than this year....even CSP if only 5-7 league wins is the mark. I guess I don't get the constant need to try and "re-image" anything good that happened under Steve Prohm. Do you enjoy doing this? Is there this need to throw dirt on the past so the next coach will have no standards of which to meet i.e. Morgan/GMAC? Yeah, remember that BS side show on this site. Or is all this "re-imaging" strictly out of boredom from the long. long winter? Regardless.......I just don't understand the need to brow beat a 23 win season from the past during the current 2 win season.

Forgive me if I misunderstood.

I'd take that team every day of the week and twice on Sunday over what we're currently watching. I didn't mean it to slight that year's accomplishments because we certainly did accomplish some things that year. I meant it that in 3 of the 4 years Prohm hasn't had the nucleus of Hoiberg players, we've gotten 10th, 9th and 10th in the conference. In the lone successful year we had, we went .500 in conference play and got 6th.

My point was that when Prohm has had a horrible roster, the team is awful (now). When Prohm has had a below average to bad roster (year 3 and last year), we were bad. When Prohm had arguably the most talented roster in the Big 12, we were above average.

 

[dahliaclone]

Jamie Pollard is not going to terminate CSP after the season. He will be granted a "COVID pass" and will return for at least one more year. (Unfortunately)

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