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What are your ISU Football W-L Expectations now?

i don't want to derail the thread, but how can you continually get better and only win 6 or 7 games per year? our schedule can't get any harder than it was this year and we accomplished that.

if we have an easier schedule next year, but only win 6 games, did we get better? Or are we counting moral victories by counting "non blow-outs"

after 4-5 years of 6 win seasons, even cyclone fans will want more than that.
 
dualthreat said:
i don't want to derail the thread, but how can you continually get better and only win 6 or 7 games per year? our schedule can't get any harder than it was this year and we accomplished that.

if we have an easier schedule next year, but only win 6 games, did we get better? Or are we counting moral victories by counting "non blow-outs"

after 4-5 years of 6 win seasons, even cyclone fans will want more than that.
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You have to look at each game. We won 6 games this year, but four of them could have very easily gone the other way (maybe 5 if you count the KU game). One or two plays here or there and we could have been a 3 or 4 win team. So next year if we win 5 or 6 games, but none of them are close, and our losses are close (instead of the curb stompings we had this year) you could easily say we're better next year.
 
I expect this team to win the games we are supposed to win and win a couple games a year that we aren't supposed to win.
For me we were almost there this year. I would have liked better performance in the K. State, Mizzou, and Texas games. But we did win two that we shouldn't have in Tech and OSU.
 
dualthreat said:
i don't want to derail the thread, but how can you continually get better and only win 6 or 7 games per year? our schedule can't get any harder than it was this year and we accomplished that.

if we have an easier schedule next year, but only win 6 games, did we get better? Or are we counting moral victories by counting "non blow-outs"

after 4-5 years of 6 win seasons, even cyclone fans will want more than that.
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I agree with dualthreat's post, that you can't stay around .500 year in and year out, it needs to go upward a little.

But your response does makes some sense as well.

That's why this season, even thought it was just one win better than 2010, felt like it was two or three wins better (to me).

1. The blowouts were there, but not as bad (compare 68-27 at home w/ 52-17 on the road, for example).

2. Shocking road win was more convincing against similar competition during that season. Granted, winning at Texas seems larger that TT, but had never won there, either, and it was 41-7 instead of 28-21).

3. Won a stunner (OSU) instead of almost winning a stunner (NU '10).

4. No lay-an-egg losses like CU in '10. Could have lost to UNI, UConn and/or KU, but at least ISU found a way to win all of them.

All of it came against a harder schedule (2010's wasn't as challenging as claimed, although it was no cupcake)

Eventually, though, the actual record needs to show the progress, too.
 
cyclones500 said:
I agree with dualthreat's post, that you can't stay around .500 year in and year out, it needs to go upward a little.

But your response does makes some sense as well.

That's why this season, even thought it was just one win better than 2010, felt like it was two or three wins better (to me).

1. The blowouts were there, but not as bad (compare 68-27 at home w/ 52-17 on the road, for example).

2. Shocking road win was more convincing against similar competition during that season. Granted, winning at Texas seems larger that TT, but had never won there, either, and it was 41-7 instead of 28-21).

3. Won a stunner (OSU) instead of almost winning a stunner (NU '10).

4. No lay-an-egg losses like CU in '10. Could have lost to UNI, UConn and/or KU, but at least ISU found a way to win all of them.

All of it came against a harder schedule (2010's wasn't as challenging as claimed, although it was no cupcake)

Eventually, though, the actual record needs to show the progress, too.
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We were 5-1 in close games, and I don't think that's really due to any particular skill our team had. I don't think that record in close games will continue. On the other hand, we just didn't seem outmanned against top tier talent this year, and I think that's a big improvement.
 
Also, I don't want to artificially lower expectations, but I think as a school with some major inherent disadvantages compared to other B12 schools, one big advantage we can maintain is continuity with the coaching staff. It's really hard to win in CFB (especially in the B12), and freaking out over an occasional 4-5 win season is just going to hurt coaching continuity, one of our big advantages.
 
I will expect teams that are 'all in', fighting for every yard, every stop, etc. How can anyone expect a certain number of wins per year? There is so much fluidity to college FB. Who thought that KSU would win 10 games???? That was one of the games ISU fans were thinking was an easy one this year. Also, as long as ISU is playing 9 conference games, it will be hard to win more than 7 games. At this point in time there is only one truly horrible team in the Big 12, Kansas. Someone like Iowa has a huge advantage with one less conference game and two really bad conference opponents in MN and IN.
 
I have scaled back my expectations to 13-0.

Will go back to 14-0 if the conference goes back to 12 teams.

I will not riot or threaten not to buy season tickets if we do not reach this goal, but I will not insult the team with lesser expectations.
 
I want continued improvement just like what we are seeing now. Continued improvement equals success I do not expect 8-9 win seasons every year here on out, but would like to go bowling more than not. Win at home make Jack Trice a place opposing teams do not like to play at. Oh and getting that south endzone bowled in.
 
I just want bowl games and large crowds for now to legitimize the contract. in 4-5 years though i think the fan base will want to see at least one banner year somewhere in the mix. myself included.
 
None of us fans play on or coach the team and directly impact the success on the field, so I think any expectations we make should be directed towards ourselves as fans and what we can do to indirectly impact the product on the field.
I think expecatations for this program going forward should be to fill JTS for each and EVERY home game, regardless of the weather. This season we did not have a single home game with poor attendance as opposed to the '10 season where what seemed like 23 people attended the Missouri game with bowl eligibility on the line. (Which happened to be my younger brother's first ISU football game... embarassing atmosphere)
I have faith that the fanbase will respond, as CPR is putting an exciting product on the field.
 
I expect to hit at least the 9 win mark at least once within Rhoads' contract.
 
Heres what I expect is trolls like Jon Miller to stay off of the Cyclone board, especially when he wouldnt let me on his board. Thats fine Jon, you dont want me to point out how stupid your fanbase is I get it. What do you care about our expectations. I'd worry about whats lacking in your closet, no depth for 1, no speed for 2, and anitquated offensive and defensive schemes, at least half of that problem should be fixed with Norm leaving, but who knows.
 
I still think it will be hard to get alot of wins in the Big 12 bext season but I do think we will get to the 7 or 8 win mark before going to a bowl. We have the talent and the depth to do it. Now all we need is an offense to play and we will be set.
 
JonDMiller said:
Great to see CPR get this deal. I think its a good move for all involved.

I pose this question to you: What are your W-L expectations for ISU football, given this contract?

I am not one of those people that feels a coaches worth to a program is all about Wins. ISU had a .500 season this year and had the best attendance year in school history, seeing 50k or more people in the stands for every home game for the first time ever.

There is a GREAT deal of value in that for the athletic department, so I think this sort of contract is certainly in line.

However, one thing I have noticed with Kirk's increased salary, is that certain win totals which have in the past been acceptable, are no longer acceptable to a certain segment of the fanbase.

With these types of dollars, a certain segment of the fanbase will have a quicker trigger to be more critical...can't say how large that segment will be.

What are your thoughts?
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Nothing has changed for me. I honestly don't understand the question. Why would the contract change expectations other than to keep a guy here who's already doing a really nice job?
 
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