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WARNING! A Cyclone Alley Voting thread!
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If this is true... Alumni, get rid of it! (or split the sections into CA and normal student section)
I think you are right because I think I remember being in the non-CA section against Virginia that last year we went the NCAA tournament. Then the major losing started the same time both sides went all CA. I'm not gonna deny that the methodical beat downs we had under McDermott were the main reason the crowd went a little downhill.
Before Cyclone Alley:
After:
This. I voted destroy. I'm a former student who was leaving just as CA was starting. In the beginning one side was CA, the other was regular students who wanted no part of CA (like ME), and WE WERE ALWAYS THE LOUDEST SIDE!
This was the case in CA beginning stages. The "regular" student section was 10x better and louder.
Before Cyclone Alley:
That huge guy in the center of the photo looks like he's about to beat up Shooter McGavin in the parking lot.
Just a few comments.
-How can you complain about a crowd like that when the program has had a winning record in conference once in the past 10 years?
-The $30 fee shouldn't be an issue since it was essentially free with the all-sports package (unless you procrastinated until they sold out)
-If we would have made a few free throws and gotten a few more rebounds and won the game would this thread even exist? Probably not, it's just something to complain about.
-And yes. Alumni, if you feel that something needs to be done, then do something about it. Us students have pretty much NO say whatsoever.
-How can you complain about a crowd like that when the program has had a winning record in conference once in the past 10 years?
-The $30 fee shouldn't be an issue since it was essentially free with the all-sports package (unless you procrastinated until they sold out)
-If we would have made a few free throws and gotten a few more rebounds and won the game would this thread even exist? Probably not, it's just something to complain about.
-And yes. Alumni, if you feel that something needs to be done, then do something about it. Us students have pretty much NO say whatsoever.
Ca is ran by a bunch of ****** and "I can do no wrong" students. They get mad at cussing. If you drink before or during the game they make it seem like you are an outcast. They enjoy doing ******* dizzy layup races and watching 3 ******* apples spin in circles and guessing which one is the winner. I think we need some people running cyclone alley that aren't kiss ***** or mormon fun Nazis.
I had to pull this from another thread, but finally, an honest post. CA is not the problem here. CA changes my game experience in two ways: the shirt I wear, and direction I wave my arms during free throws in non-critical situations.
I don't understand where these ideas about organized cheers and stifling creativity come from.
What I do know is what has been repeated time after time in every CA thread we've had on CF: winning can bring the magic back. The students were loud tonight, jumping up and down, screaming, letting Mizzou players have it when they walked through the tunnel, and pounding on the chairs during free throws.
Now comes the part where you tell me I don't understand what it was like in the glory days. You're right, I didn't attend games in the '80s. I did, however, attend games in Hilton prior to being a student, like this one against Texas in 2004. Guess what Brian Boddicker is staring into as he misses these two free throws.
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He didn't miss those free throws because he was looking at CA. He missed them because we were leading the #11 team in the country with 5 seconds left. He missed them because students had exciting, winning basketball to watch. The same will happen in the future as more of these situations present themselves, with or without CA.
Go ahead and keep talking about how much louder you were back then; it's human nature to remember things better than they actually were. Just don't try to convince us that you were louder because you didn't have to wear the same shirt as everyone else or wave your arms a particular direction during free throws.
Winning will solve everything, until then, we can continue to to glorify the good old days while we wait for the on-court production to match the levels you had the pleasure of seeing back then.
My point is that CA hasn't been around for good basketball at all. I wouldn't care either way if CA is kept or destroyed because it wouldn't make any difference. It's not like Hilton would be deafening with no CA. It isn't what it used to be because we aren't winning like we used to and finishing 10th, 11th, and 12th for a period of time in the Big 12 kills it.
I was there before CA as a "yougin" and I was there as a college student not in CA and in CA as well as post grad with season tickets in the balcony, so i have had the whole realm of ISU basketball experience...well rounded if i say so myself. I am not going to say either way...all i am going to say is winning solves everything and we are all cyclone fans, so get over it and cheer loud together...jfc how hard is that people!!!
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Doesn't make much sense :swoon:
I didn't vote.
But I am going to say something about Cyclone Alley last night.
The students did their job last night. They got in the door, got in early, and started the atmosphere with 45 minutes left on the pre-game clock. They filled every part of their seats and, for the most part, rocked pretty hard last night. I'm still not a fan of their stupid arm waving signs, but, you know, that's preference.
For the most part Cyclone Alley was great last night.
But there was one row of girls in the first row right next to the Mizzou tunnel. Not a one of them stood up the entire game. Just sat there, in the front row of the student section against the #9 team in the nation, and they didn't stand up.
I was a wee bit peeved. Put the cell phones away, ladies. You can text your friends later.
That being said, not a single CA member left with 3:30 left on the clock. I was yelling at cyclone 'fans' as they walked out from that moment on. Yeah, I was the dude in the balcony yelling "games not over yet!"
But I am going to say something about Cyclone Alley last night.
The students did their job last night. They got in the door, got in early, and started the atmosphere with 45 minutes left on the pre-game clock. They filled every part of their seats and, for the most part, rocked pretty hard last night. I'm still not a fan of their stupid arm waving signs, but, you know, that's preference.
For the most part Cyclone Alley was great last night.
But there was one row of girls in the first row right next to the Mizzou tunnel. Not a one of them stood up the entire game. Just sat there, in the front row of the student section against the #9 team in the nation, and they didn't stand up.
I was a wee bit peeved. Put the cell phones away, ladies. You can text your friends later.
That being said, not a single CA member left with 3:30 left on the clock. I was yelling at cyclone 'fans' as they walked out from that moment on. Yeah, I was the dude in the balcony yelling "games not over yet!"
This has a lot to do with it. I'll never quite understand how ISU losses end up being the fans fault. Even the best fans in the world, and I put ISU fans right up there on this list, can only do so much before they feel like idiots. Believe me, I was a student during the Walden era for football. When you stand the whole game and scream like crazy on 3rd down and the team still doesn't stop them, eventually you start to think you just feel like an idiot. Luckily I was in school when our BBall team rarely lost in Hilton. Of course it was rocking, because when we cheered good things happened. I don't necessarily take credit for all the wins I saw in Hilton, the team wasn't winning because of the fans. It was somewhat a mutual thing, but mostly, Hilton was rocking because we were winning.
And granted, the atmosphere isn't the same, but I remember plenty of people walking out of an OkState game I was at in the early 90s, before Thigpen decided to start lighting up 3 pointers. Yeah, the game ended loud, but a lot of it is selective memory, it was pretty dead for the last part of the second half until ISU got back in the game. In the end, consistently winning will cure the Hilton Woes.
I have never once gotten in trouble for swearing at a hoops game. Not once, and I sat right behind CAC. You're making **** up. Most of the committee is college students just like the rest of us who behave just like the rest of us.
What does CA inhibit? Nothing. Want to take a sign in? Sweet, I see them all the time. Want to wear the game bibs or something? Sweet, take your shirt in your pocket and show the ushers and they'll let you in. The free throw signs? I would be more than willing to bet without the signs the majority of the students stand there with their arms crossed (and honestly, waving your arms does absolutely nothing. The shooter doesn't see 95% of the student section because their line of sight is above where the majority of students are.
Cost? Sorry, CA didn't cost anything extra this year unless you waited too damn long to order your tickets so that excuse is out the window. People who ordered the $99 tickets and move down SHOULD have to pay extra because they're getting a shirt as well as a better seat. Does CA kill your ability to yell? Nope, it doesn't. As far as I'm concerned, ticket transfer isn't an issue: Get your *** to the game.
People are ******** to ***** because the basketball team isn't good and hasn't been since 99% of CA started at Iowa State. The student section wasn't any louder 10 years ago but the teams were better. Every year the students sections of the past get louder. Well, sorry, but unless voices have gotten softer on the general population, that's crap. There are just as many students going to games now as there has been in the past.
The difference? Those teams won, the current teams don't. Did they cheer more? Probably, because their teams were winning and they had something to cheer for. Now? I've been at Iowa State since the fall of 2007 and haven't seen a ranked team lose in Hilton. 99% of Cyclone Alley hasn't. It isn't any louder or quieter than student sections of the past, the cheering has died down because the teams stink. "Welllllll, back in 1996 when we were down 18 we were still screaming our lungs out and willed the teams back into games!" No you didn't. You were quiet just like students now. The students waited until the team showed life and then woke back up.
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I'm a student and don't like CA.