I don't get it either. I blame chris williamz!! I definitely like the idea of Vince Taylor.
Update on replacing T.J. Otzelberger
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I don't get it either. I blame chris williamz!! I definitely like the idea of Vince Taylor.
Think of it this way: you're a young assistant who is confident and full of promise. If you aren't at a blue blood, why would you turn down the opportunity to be an assistant under Fred? He is changing the landscape of college basketball; why not get in on the ground floor of it? That's how I would look at it if I'm Fred. Sadler is the safe hire here (if he even wants it), but what we need is a young defensive master with ideas and guts to complement Fred. If we hire Sadler, chances are he is gone in another year or two. That could be good though if Fred has his eyes on somebody young but not quite there yet.
Let me ask you this then...Did you like Bobby Lutz? If you did, you will love Doc Sadler. Great X's and O's guy and a firey dude as well. We need some of that fire on the bench. Lutz had it, and so does Sadler.
Just an observation, but in replacing Lutz, weren't we worried that our staff was too heavily weighted toward recruiting?
I'm curious to see what happens, but Sadler does bring great experience where we are weak, so I wouldn't be disappointed at all if that is the way Fred goes.
I'm curious to see what happens, but Sadler does bring great experience where we are weak, so I wouldn't be disappointed at all if that is the way Fred goes.
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If not now, certainly by the next time Fred needs to hire an assistant, the best and the brightest will be calling him. It would be fun to see who is following him around at the conference where he is featured.
I'm surprised more aren't excited about a guy like Sadler. Fred's obviously got the offense covered, Sadler could add alot with his defensive expertise....could be a stroke of genius!
Sadler actually has had some decent recruiting success if you look back at his career as an assistant before Nebraska. His bio claims that he was responsible for signing 8 guys who played in the NBA - most all of them from his time at Texas Tech and Arizona State. The list includes Maurice Jeffers who was drafted, but appears to have never signed a contract so the list is actually 7 guys. None of the players were hall of fame quality, but most were good enough to hang around the league for multiple years. The list includes Michael Batiste, Tony Battie, Cory Carr, Mark Davis, Darvin Ham, Eddie House, and Jason Sasser.
I doubt if very many if any coaches in the history of ISU basketball can claim to be the primary recruiter for as many as 7 NBA players.
I'm still surprised when people don't notice when Chris is flat out giving us information. Chris doesn't say that Doc is the guy if he doesn't have a fantastic source on the matter.
No offense, but I have no idea what "it could ran" means, what weather has to do with our MBB asst coaching search or what value you add to the conversation.
On topic, I like the idea of Sadler. I don't think his recruiting has been stellar, yet I expect that to improve recruiting alongside Fred.
Recruiting is extremely important but everyone needs to remember that Fred takes on a lot of responsibility in that department.
Having a guy like Doc will mean that Fred can farm a lot of the defensive game planning, scouting and so forth to Sadler and will free him up that much more to hit the trail.
With the type of recruit that we're trying to land, Fred is going to have to be very involved so Doc can do some of the heavy lifting in regards to X's & O's
Having a guy like Doc will mean that Fred can farm a lot of the defensive game planning, scouting and so forth to Sadler and will free him up that much more to hit the trail.
With the type of recruit that we're trying to land, Fred is going to have to be very involved so Doc can do some of the heavy lifting in regards to X's & O's
We watched him for years from Omaha. He did not dress very well, he looked crumpled, he had no pzazz, just X's and O's. If we had another assistant coach that was going places, fine, but TJ was the man and now we need to have another homerun. For recruiting, Doc was a lot like Frank "Ohio" in football. Could not seal the deal. Players played hard, just they were not that athletic.
While Doc had his problem as a Head Coach, I think he'd be a great assistant coach. I always thought he did okay with what he had to work with at Nebraska. We have a Rock Star recruiter already in the form of Fred Hoiberg. Think the current weakness on staff is back ground stuff and somewhat X and O's and seems Doc. is pretty good at that. Will be interesting to see who Fred hires.
I'm confused about some people's thoughts on who the coach needs to be. Just a few months ago, nearly everyone here was complaining about how Fred can't coach defense, and now a fairly large portion of people here want to turn down a defensive-minded coach? I understand that Otz was a great recruiter, but the reason that Matt Thomas, for instance, is coming to Iowa State isn't that Otz is a great recruiter, it's that Fred is the head coach.
I think people would be less worried about recruiting if coach A was coming through with recruits. That is the concern I have right now
I covered Doc's Nebraska teams for a few years. First off, when Chris or someone else says you can't recruit to or win at Nebraska, that is absolutely true (or it was, anyway; they're opening a sparkling new arena next season and have a new practice facility, so the children of the corn are finally putting some of their football $$$ into hoops). When Doc was there, they played in the worst arena in the Big XII by far, and if it wasn't automatically the worst in the Big 10 when they moved, it was close. Nebraska also has zero hoops history; they have never won an NCAA Tournament game, and their two most notable NBA players are probably Tyron Lue and Eric Piatkowski. It was a complete no-win situation. On top of that, Sadler got the job in the August of his first year when Barry Collier abruptly jumped ship to become the AD at Butler, so Doc had no momentum going into year one at all.
I can't speak directly to his recruiting ability, other than to say he knew Nebraska had no shot at any kind of blue-chip players or even players a level below that, so he was always looking for the overlooked guys. Nebraska was kind of a home for big white guys from Europe, for example. I do know that, despite his appearance, Doc is an impressive guy to talk to one-on-one. He's energetic and relentlessly positive. Does that translate well into talking to recruits? I'm not smart enough to answer that, but I think Sadler would fare a lot better in living rooms with a Cyclone logo on his shirt and Hoiberg's name on his lips, than he did trying to sell kids on playing basketball in a state that only cares about football.
I can't say Doc Sadler is the best choice. There's so many potential candidates for an assistant coach job; most, we don't know anything about. When we do know something about an assistant, it's probably because he's someone like Sadler, someone who's warts we know all about because he's failed somewhere else as a head coach. I know Bill Self made him an ops guy and not an assistant coach at KU, but I always thought it said something that Self moved pretty quickly to pick up Doc after NU let him go.
So far, Hoiberg's been pretty good at making decisions. If he thinks Doc is the guy to keep ISU basketball moving in the right direction, I'm inclined to trust that call. Like many have said on here, though, it'll be a while before Fred makes that decision. I'm fine with that, since I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong, please) the next recruiting period begins until July anyway.
I can't speak directly to his recruiting ability, other than to say he knew Nebraska had no shot at any kind of blue-chip players or even players a level below that, so he was always looking for the overlooked guys. Nebraska was kind of a home for big white guys from Europe, for example. I do know that, despite his appearance, Doc is an impressive guy to talk to one-on-one. He's energetic and relentlessly positive. Does that translate well into talking to recruits? I'm not smart enough to answer that, but I think Sadler would fare a lot better in living rooms with a Cyclone logo on his shirt and Hoiberg's name on his lips, than he did trying to sell kids on playing basketball in a state that only cares about football.
I can't say Doc Sadler is the best choice. There's so many potential candidates for an assistant coach job; most, we don't know anything about. When we do know something about an assistant, it's probably because he's someone like Sadler, someone who's warts we know all about because he's failed somewhere else as a head coach. I know Bill Self made him an ops guy and not an assistant coach at KU, but I always thought it said something that Self moved pretty quickly to pick up Doc after NU let him go.
So far, Hoiberg's been pretty good at making decisions. If he thinks Doc is the guy to keep ISU basketball moving in the right direction, I'm inclined to trust that call. Like many have said on here, though, it'll be a while before Fred makes that decision. I'm fine with that, since I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong, please) the next recruiting period begins until July anyway.
Northwestern has the worst athletic facilities in the Big 10, by far. Their basketball facility isn't an arena, it's a gymnasium.