Tom Manning to the Colts
- Thread starter spierceisu
- Start date
I imagine getting out of recruiting is a huge plus.
Another big plus? Working for an Offensive Coordinator named Jim Bob Cooter.
Some of our fans are much too negative in their opinions of Manning. He did some great things here and as you say, he was quite welcome at Indy.
NFL coaching is the ultimate old boys club. Get in somewhere and don't be an embarrassment and you'll always be able to get into the NFL again. So many retreads and marginal coaches that just cycle through different teams. I'm not saying Manning is a good or bad coach, but he appears to have found a niche in the NFL and he'll be able to retire as an NFL coach.
Some people, maybe most people, enjoy putting others a step below themselves.
Case(s) in point, the dumbs to follow.
Get over it, people! He brought us some of the best football we ever had. If he were so bad he wouldn't have been offered the opportunities he has been provided. I wish him well and believe he will be a success for a long time.
we lost so many games over the years because we couldn't score. He had the advantage of having an elite defense most years to hide his sins. If we were asked to outscore teams, we couldn't have done it most of the time.
Cincy lost three coaches in the past week that they had signed for 2023. Interesting. None were big step ups in prestige. One took a similar position at Miami, one jumped up to DC but down to the Sun Belt at Troy, and Manning went from OC to a position coach in the NFL. What is Satterfield's reputation, I always felt that Louisville football was a little bit dirty, but that's my impression of things going back some time.
Last edited:
Tom Manning is going to end up an NFL HC at some point considering the track record of the coaches leaving Iowa State under less-than-ideal circumstances to the joy of the fanbase.
He gets way too much hate for someone who led some of the best or maybe the best offenses ISU has ever had.
His time as OC
FPI
'16- Offensive Efficiency #53 Defensive Efficiency #93
'17 - OE #26 DE #23
'19 - OE #39 DE #36
'20 - OE #15 DE # 14
'21 - OE #21 DE #18
'22 - OE # 82 DE # 8
You can look at football outsiders too and find similar results
'16 - OE #56 DE # 100
'17 - OE # 31 DE #28
'19 - OE #19 DE #36
'20 OE #16 DE #15
'21 OE # 19 DE #22
'22 OE # 85 DE #7
This idea that the defense was far superior to the offense is just false. That only applies to last year and I don't think you can say Manning is solely responsible for the offensive failures last year.
I have growing concern that Manning may not have been the problem, or at least not a very high percentage of the problem.
Campbellball is running the ball, limiting possessions, and playing efficiently.
We replaced the best quarterback in school history (who, by the way, led the 49ers to the NFC championship as a rookie), lost the best talent we've had at running back at least since Troy Davis, and lost both of our all-big-12 tight ends.
Our offensive line development has been poor.
Mix these things together, and you get last year's offensive results. Yes, some of the blame lies on Manning. He fell into tendencies and became predictable. His scheme last year didn't really fit our personnel. However, the scheme is just as much on HCMC and the rest of the staff as it is on Manning.
Manning being fired and replaced isn't a statement that Manning was the sole problem and needed to be replaced to fix the issues.. IMO it was a reflection by Matt realizing there needed to be some fundamental changes to the offense, and getting rid of a number of members of the offensive staff to provide a reset was going to be the best path moving forward. Frankly, our offense didn't look very different between when Manning was calling plays and the season when Matt was calling plays.
Manning was good and effective for what he was. Yes, sometimes he was predictable, and yes, last year in particular our offense was horrendous. However, he also produced the best rated offenses in the history of the program. And frankly, he did so with mediocre-at-best offensive line play.
I'm optimistic about the future of the offense, not because Manning is gone persay, but because it seems that Campbell realizes that there need to be systemic changes on the offensive side of the ball. I hope he gives Scheelhaus the same autonomy that he gives Heacock.
To be clear, I think Manning should have been (and justifiably was) fired. I think his performance as a playcaller was poor last year, and he failed to scheme around getting the most around the players and personnel that we had.
I also am just trying to be realistic.. more likely than not, Manning and his playcalling weren't the only problem.
I'm hopeful that the new OL coach will play a significant role in improving our results over the coming years. I'm hopeful that HCMC will give the freedom to NS to make systemic changes.
I think the concept of running the ball and limiting possessions won't go away, but the scheme and execution absolutely can and will. We'll have to wait and see if it's effective or not.
I also am just trying to be realistic.. more likely than not, Manning and his playcalling weren't the only problem.
I'm hopeful that the new OL coach will play a significant role in improving our results over the coming years. I'm hopeful that HCMC will give the freedom to NS to make systemic changes.
I think the concept of running the ball and limiting possessions won't go away, but the scheme and execution absolutely can and will. We'll have to wait and see if it's effective or not.