I hope our QB is crowned before some of you guys are talking about... I would rather know our starting QB before summer workouts start so our team can build chemistry together... and our QB can get plenty of reps.
Tiller and Jantz interview
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The only guy with a head start is Tiller. Barnett and Capello have less time on the field than Jantz. And listening to some of the people speak about Barnett's lack of knowledge of the offense due to injury, he's just as far behind as Jantz. However, the only guy getting a true shot at closing the gap is Jantz. So, once again, it's not a true competition. Thanks for making my point.
So now you are flipping and suggesting the finish line is premature until Barnett and Capello catch up to Jantz. Thank you for making my point- you are consumed by your bias. Understandable.
Capello in one drive against Utah showed more than Tiller ever has in all of his "experience".
Tiller is talented, he just isn't a winning QB. He doesn't make good throws, and all hes good for is running. He would be perfect if we were switching to an option offense, but we aren't.
Jantz moved the ball well through the air and on the ground at his Juco, and he helped win games. He has all the necessary tools and accuracy to run this offense, and is a winning QB.
Capello in my mind is about the same. Not as experienced though. Maybe a little weaker arm, but a little more accurate.
Thats all my opinion though. Carry on.
Tiller is talented, he just isn't a winning QB. He doesn't make good throws, and all hes good for is running. He would be perfect if we were switching to an option offense, but we aren't.
Jantz moved the ball well through the air and on the ground at his Juco, and he helped win games. He has all the necessary tools and accuracy to run this offense, and is a winning QB.
Capello in my mind is about the same. Not as experienced though. Maybe a little weaker arm, but a little more accurate.
Thats all my opinion though. Carry on.
The key to communication is listening. IMO, Barnett and Capello are ahead of Jantz in knowledge of this offense. Other people are saying he is behind because of his injury. But I'm sure that he still went to QB meetings, watched video, etc. And IMO and others (AA and Herman), Barnett is better mechanically than all of them. My problem is that they won't get the same chances as Jantz to be the guy due to lack of experience. I'm not bias as some may think....I just want the best players on the field no matter their classification.
On the other note.....There is no finish line! There was never a race!
So you are recanting your absurd statement that Barrnett and Capello did not have a head start on Jantz- thank you. Of course, it is possible Jantz has already passed them by, but I doubt it.
Why again will the other QB's not get the same chances as Jantz and/or what do you have to support this?
I do agree there is not really a finish line- starter positions must be continually earned.
I've heard from a couple of players that the QB will be either Jantz or Barnett. It's interesting since these guys are out there with them everyday, but they aren't the ones that make decisions. It's also opposite of what Arnaud said on the podcast, so I'm not sure you can take a lot out of it.
It sounds like Barnett is impressing since I figured he'd be 4th string.
It sounds like Barnett is impressing since I figured he'd be 4th string.
Not too surprising since a logical argument for any of them could have been made before Spring. Barnett being behind Tiller and Capello in August (and thus redshirting) does not rule out Barnett being equal or ahead of ahead of Tiller and Capello in November.
Should be interesting.
What does Tiller have over Capello? Like one more spring in the Rhoads/Herman offense? I don't think hes very far behind in terms of knowing the offense. Its not like hes only been here a year like Barnett or just stepped on campus like Jantz.
I would think that Jantz is very talented, and the staff thinks he has all the tools to be a good QB for us if they chalked him in at #2 not even knowing the playbook yet. I feel like its his to lose, but of course the staff isn't just going to come out and say that. They want all the QB's to work their tails off. Even if that is the logic, that doesn't mean Jantz wins it. Someone like Barnett or Capello could end up blowing the competition away.
I would think that Jantz is very talented, and the staff thinks he has all the tools to be a good QB for us if they chalked him in at #2 not even knowing the playbook yet. I feel like its his to lose, but of course the staff isn't just going to come out and say that. They want all the QB's to work their tails off. Even if that is the logic, that doesn't mean Jantz wins it. Someone like Barnett or Capello could end up blowing the competition away.
"Can you hear the words that are coming out of my mouth?" As far as on the field experience in this offense, Tiller is the only guy with a true head start. If this were not so, we would not be hearing CPR and Herman throwing out the "lack of experience card" when talking about Capello and Barnett. Jantz, however, will be the only one of the other three that will get a "real" opportunity to catch Tiller. I'm not the only one saying this???? That's my support. This is all about Tiller and Jantz.
I think Barnett is our best overall QB and I'm not backing down from that statement . Some think it's Jantz and some thinks it's Capello. I'm good with their opinions. But, Barnett has ALL of the intangibles that are needed at the QB position. CPR, Herman, and AA have all said the only thing he lacks is experience. I say play him and let him get the experience. What are they going to say next year....he doesn't have experience? How does he get it?
I can see what hes saying. Even though I feel like Capello was the better QB last year, Tiller was given the nod last year because he had experience, while Capello was just a freshman. Coaches like experience at their most important position for big games.
I don't know who the best QB is, never said I did. You, however, seem to think you know who it is without ever setting foot in a practice. You also have no idea what kind of intangibles he has. You may think you do, but you don't. We won't see that until the first game of next season if he plays. Frankly, I don't care who starts and I also won't pretend to have any idea how each of looked in practice because I haven't been there. I suggest you do something similar.
Read your own words: "IMO, Barnett and Capello are ahead of Jantz in knowledge of this offense"
Barnett and Capello absolutely had a head start in becoming ISU's starting QB in 2011. Being at ISU, practicing with teammates, and having (and in theory, learning) the playbook at least 6 months earlier, is a "true head start"
Additionally, only Barnett is at an equal disadvantage in terms of in-game experience....which is only one metric of a head start.
Confusing causation and correlation.
CPR is not giving a nod to a QB because they have more experience. They give the nod to the player because the experience is one of the factors that the coach believes makes that player the best QB.
If some less experienced player was better, they would start.
Not all of last fall- plus it would only take one practice to have a head start at ISU in comparison to Jantz.
While true, you don't "know" they are better for sure until they start. The better QB will start argument is completely flawed. Its happened on many occasions where the starting QB goes down, and the backup comes in and turns out to be better.
Not flawed at all- hindsight is not logic. The discussion is about the thought process on choosing a starter. It would be illogical for a coach to think Player A will be better (perhaps due to his experience), and then decide to start Player B....unless this coach has a lengthy track-record of picking the wrong guy.
Barnett had a herniated disc last season, and didn't practice the first half of the season.
Capello needed work on his footwork to gain velocity on the ball
Tiller needed work on his knowledge of the offense.
The coaches picked up Jantz because he has a good arm and studies the offense. It is open season on who shows the most improvement.
Whoever can help us win is who I'm for.
Capello needed work on his footwork to gain velocity on the ball
Tiller needed work on his knowledge of the offense.
The coaches picked up Jantz because he has a good arm and studies the offense. It is open season on who shows the most improvement.
Whoever can help us win is who I'm for.
I just hope the competition does not create a fragment in the team's cohesion. May the best guy win, and the next guys in line stay focused cause odds are we will have to play more than one qb this season for one reason or another.