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THT Going into the Draft

madguy30 said:
You know that if Prohm did the same thing though, you'd be up in arms about it and it's really not close.
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Not true at all, in fact the reason I never say much about the 2016-2017 team is because I thought he did a great coaching job that year and we met expectations, both in the regular season, Big 12 tourney, and NCAA tourney. I thought we finished exactly to the talent level of the team that year.
 
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crawfy54 said:
Did any other team in that tournament have 4 players that are currently in the NBA? I really don’t know. Seems like 4 is a lot.
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You serious?

Get off the whole "NBA players determine a college team's level of success."
Duke has 6+, two in the top 5, and 3 in the first round, and their all time best Coach couldn't get them to the final 4.
 
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jereseib said:
He should have!!!! The talent disparity between Little Rock and a team with Monte Morris and Niang as 3rd and 4th year players is huge. Congrats on the monumental achievement I guess.
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And Iowa State smoked them by 17 points.

The Purdue team they upset though started the same number of future draft picks as we did that year. Whoops.
 
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cyatheart said:
Eh, I am not here to defend Fred, but Niang and Babb got hurt. It's really not fair to just ignore that. Those were two great players. Who knows what would have happened if not for those injuries. Maybe nothing different, maybe a Final Four, we will never know. Fred had 8 tournament games and one stinker. Rest of the games outside of UAB they played pretty well.
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We had to play in Auburn Hills! The refs screwed us!

Chris Babb got hurt! That bracket was wide open!

Georges broke his foot! We were like a buzzsaw! We were going to win a national title!

What happened happened. Reality counts more than speculative fiction. Giving Larry and Fred credit for the most absolutely rosy and optimistic potential of those teams, when college basketball is homicidal in its level of competitiveness and team quality after the first weekend of the NCAA tournament (and bad enough in the first one), is pretty silly.

I think that is the fundamental problem here. People act like Fred won a national title or at least made a Final Four OR, with a few more chances a better luck, would have done so in short order. No doubt about it. I am sorry, but giving the guy credit for far more than he did is ridiculous. The record books say what they did. Fred never beat anything more than a #6.

Prohm is coaching against the ghost of stuff that never happened.
 
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BryceC said:
You strive to win games. Losing your best talent at a school like ISU really isn't a positive. It can be spun that way, but maybe having this excite a kid that can be in a class 2 years from now... eh.
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I look as it as in order to get one and dones you must have previous one and dones. Yes it sucks to lose THT. You don't want to build the reputation of a school that recruits high end talent but can never develop them to the point of being a 1 and done. This is kinda a sucks for the present but better for the future.
 
madguy30 said:
As much as things may have been different with Niang, UNC's size was horrible for ISU and it was a break when Johnson went out.
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Good reminder that bad luck in the tournament is not the unique purview of Iowa State.

https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2014/03/brice-johnsons-injury-hurts-unc-in-loss

With fewer than 15 minutes to play in the first half, sophomore Brice Johnson leapt up to rebound a missed UNC (24-10) shot. As he landed, he hit the top of Cyclone forward Dustin Hogue’s shoe; his foot went one way, his ankle another. Johnson corralled the rebound and passed it out to Marcus Paige, hopping up and down on his left foot to avoid putting weight on his injured right. After Leslie McDonald drained a 3-pointer, Johnson tried to run the length of the floor with his teammates, but he simply couldn’t stay in the game. When play ended under Iowa State’s basket, Johnson hobbled across the baseline in front of athletic trainer Doug Halverson and collapsed to his knees.

As coach Roy Williams and Halverson went over to check on him, Johnson banged his left foot against the hardwood in pain. He gingerly started to get up move toward the bench. The 6-foot-9 forward was moving slowly, grimacing with every ounce of weight he put on his right ankle.

Johnson eventually limped back to the locker room with Halverson.

Diagnosed with a sprained ankle, he wouldn’t return — his impact in the year’s last game limited to two points, two rebounds, one foul in two minutes.

“It was tough,” McDonald said. “We were expecting big things out of Brice. He contributes to the offensive board and defensive boards and scoring, too. We were looking for big things. “But things happen. He got injured, but that just motivated other guys on the team to step up big time.” Johnson’s early exit was just the first of many seemingly cruel endings for the No. 6-seeded Tar Heels Sunday night. With Johnson out of the game, the Tar Heels were left without an emotional leader and crucial interior threat.

If Fred gets credit for a deep run because of Georges' foot, then why not Ole Roy?
 
WastedTalent said:
You serious?

Get off the whole "NBA players determine a college team's level of success."
Duke has 6+, two in the top 5, and 3 in the first round, and their all time best Coach couldn't get them to the final 4.
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Ok. You realize you just compared Iowa states talent to Dukes, right?
 
MartinCy said:
And Iowa State smoked them by 17 points.

The Purdue team they upset though started the same number of future draft picks as we did that year. Whoops.
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So what? You know as well as I do that upsets to the 4 and 5 seeds happen every year in the tourney. Purdue had a bad game and lost to an inferior team. Go look up stats on how often 12 or 13 seeds win their second round game after pulling an upset.

Lets not act like Iowa State beat the '96 Bulls just because this team beat Purdue 2 days earlier.
 
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jereseib said:
Beating 2 blue bloods, and Notre Dame sounds alot better than beating Little Rock, Iona, and Nevada in the NCAA tourney.
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This is a ridiculous argument.

The seeds are much better indicators of the quality of the team in any given season.

UNC being a #1 seed in years before/after that one did not make them more than a #6 when the team with a wounded Georges Niang went to actually play them.

Prohm is never going to win if you can invent whatever events that never happened you want.
 
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DSMCy said:
Theoretically he could come back, but the wording that letter definitely points to him staying in the draft.

Buckle up - this could be a bumpy off season...
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Won't be back if he retains agent....Does anyone know if he has one?
 
He's not ready, but if he wants out it's probably best for the team if he goes. Loved having him and Shayok but both were huge black holes this year and I wonder if both of them leaving might actually help our offense in some aspects next year
 
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I wonder if next draft after this one could be overloaded with prospects depending on what the NBA decides to do with the one-and-done rule. Maybe that weighed into his decision.
 
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