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LoewDog said:
Yet the great ARob only had 98 yards on 25 carries...hhhmmm.

Wasn't the pick in the end zone tipped by an Iowa player? How is that a fluke?

If you cannot appreciate the pick six then you must not like football much.

I could really care less if you like Iowa but regardless it was a good, hard-fought and entertaining football game...trying to make it less than that because you do not like Iowa is pretty lame.
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Your lack of football knowledge is astounding. What type of offense does Nebraska run? What type of offense does Iowa run? What type of offense does Iowa State run?

Mizzou's D was built to stop spread offenses. Thus teams that lean more toward a power running game like Nebraska and Iowa will have a huge advantage running the ball against Mizzou. A spread team like ISU will have a tougher time as their offensive sets & gameplan plays right into the hands of Mizzou's D.

I am shocked a hok fan as bright as yourself couldn't figure that out before you opened your mouth and put your foot in it....... AGAIN. :jimlad:
 
Clark said:
First off, anytime you beat a top 15 opponent in a bowl game, it's a fairly big deal. Winning the insight bowl probably woudn't garner much attention nationally but beating the 12th ranked team will.

I thought going in that it would be an interesting game because the teams were so fundamentally different. Mizzou couldn't handle Iowa's power running game and Iowa couldn't handle Mizzou's spread offense.

It was a classic coin-flip game. Both teams had two turnovers but Iowa scored on one of theirs which was the difference in the game.

Both teams played very well on offense for the most part. I was really impressed with Gabbert's arm and Mizzou's o-line. ISU fans were right about the fact that he folds like a cheap tent under pressure but his o-line did a good job of protecting him for most of the game. As good as Mizzou's o-line was, Iowa's played better. One play all game that went for a loss. Stanzi had all day to throw and Coker had big holes to run through. Stanzi was mediocre at best. Really it was his career in a nutshell. Some really good throws, some really bad throws and somehow the team won inspite of his mistakes.

I thought the Zebras did a good job. There were holding calls on both sides that weren't called and there were a few questionable spots but overall not too bad.
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**** Iowa -- I'm still ****** nearly a day later at how MU ****** that game down their leg. Gabbert threw a stupid stupid pass. MU had it won and blew it, Iowa did not win it thru its play.
 
Cyclonestate78 said:
Your lack of football knowledge is astounding. What type of offense does Nebraska run? What type of offense does Iowa run? What type of offense does Iowa State run?

Mizzou's D was built to stop spread offenses. Thus teams that lean more toward a power running game like Nebraska and Iowa will have a huge advantage running the ball against Mizzou. A spread team like ISU will have a tougher time as their offensive sets & gameplan plays right into the hands of Mizzou's D.

I am shocked a hok fan as bright as yourself couldn't figure that out before you opened your mouth and put your foot in it....... AGAIN. :jimlad:
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78...after many years on the sideline, I'm pretty comfortable with my football knowledge. I understand how these teams are built. I also know how teams game plan.

I could give a rip what kind of offenses they typically play...game plans are set for the opponent at hand. A week to stop an experienced RB in a spread offense vs. a month to stop a 4th string RB in a pro set...I guess I would expect the yardage to be a little closer.

Regardless, the point is less about the stats and more about isu fans who want to fly their flag that they are so much better than Hawk fans, but when it comes right down to it you are not.

Mizzu lost this one. Mizzu handed it to them. Hawks got lucky. Mizzu would win next time. Ect. The same rational that you link to Iowa fans when they p iss on isu. Way to come down to "our" level clones :yes:.
 
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CTTB78 said:
Iowa is the only team in the bowls who has lost players due to injury or suspension. Just in case you didn't know what Iowa was really up against.
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Without even thinking or trying . . . what about Northwestern and Dan Persa?
 
rebecacy said:
**** Iowa -- I'm still ****** nearly a day later at how MU ****** that game down their leg. Gabbert threw a stupid stupid pass. MU had it won and blew it, Iowa did not win it thru its play.
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I must have watched a different game, because even after Hyde picked that pass off, he was still about 70 yards from the end zone. I really appreciate Missouri's escort to the end zone. I also appreciate Missouri allowing our freshman running back to get some confidence for next season by letting him run for over 200 yards. Finally, I appreciate Missouri's offense late in the fourth quarter, faltering and turning it over on downs to allow us to win.

Come on...that's classic denial based almost entirely on hatred for Iowa considering the rest of your post.
 
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As far as the INT in the end zone to (nearly) end the first half......that was BLATANT pass interference by Iowa. The CB grabbed not only the jersey but then the arm of the reciever as well. That is why he could not pull in the pass. Horrible miss by the officaiting crew. Not saying thy would have scored a TD if a flag had been thrown but I feel safe in saying they would have walked away with no less than a FG.
 
hawkfan2679 said:
I must have watched a different game, because even after Hyde picked that pass off, he was still about 70 yards from the end zone. I really appreciate Missouri's escort to the end zone. I also appreciate Missouri allowing our freshman running back to get some confidence for next season by letting him run for over 200 yards. Finally, I appreciate Missouri's offense late in the fourth quarter, faltering and turning it over on downs to allow us to win.

Come on...that's classic denial based almost entirely on hatred for Iowa considering the rest of your post.
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C'mon man, take off the black and gold blinders. What the OP was saying in relation to this is that Missou was driving for a game clinching score when their QB threw an ill-advised pass. I would think that as a Hawk fan yopu would undertand this. Given that Iowa picked it at their own 30 any normal, person would see that would support the OP's claim. I do not think the OP was discounting the return by the Iowa player...rather he was lamenting the poor decision by the Mizzou QB.

And as far as the Mizzou offense faltering I think you should thank the refs. In no way should that pass have been overturned. Awful, awful, awful call. There was no evidence to overturn that completion based on the call on the field. And I would say the same if it had been called incomplete on the field and then reversed to complete. Point is - it was caled a catch on the field and there was not nearly enough evidence to overturn it. Awful call.
 
rebecacy said:
**** Iowa -- I'm still ****** nearly a day later at how MU ****** that game down their leg. Gabbert threw a stupid stupid pass. MU had it won and blew it, Iowa did not win it thru its play.
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If you replaced "MU" for "Iowa" you would sound like the Iowa fan I work with after every single Iowa loss. No one has ever beat Iowa, ever. Iowa only beats themselves.
 
hawkfan2679 said:
I must have watched a different game, because even after Hyde picked that pass off, he was still about 70 yards from the end zone. I really appreciate Missouri's escort to the end zone. I also appreciate Missouri allowing our freshman running back to get some confidence for next season by letting him run for over 200 yards. Finally, I appreciate Missouri's offense late in the fourth quarter, faltering and turning it over on downs to allow us to win.

Come on...that's classic denial based almost entirely on hatred for Iowa considering the rest of your post.
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Do you say the same things to your fellow Iowa fans after an Iowa loss when they say things like, "The team wasn't ready to play." or, "this game didn't mean that much to Iowa and it is (insert any team)'s Super Bowl"?

Again, the hypocrisy shown by you Iowa fans is amazing. When Iowa loses, it's because "they gave the game away". When Iowa wins, it's because they are soooo much better.
 
egunzy said:
C'mon man, take off the black and gold blinders. What the OP was saying in relation to this is that Missou was driving for a game clinching score when their QB threw an ill-advised pass. I would think that as a Hawk fan yopu would undertand this. Given that Iowa picked it at their own 30 any normal, person would see that would support the OP's claim. I do not think the OP was discounting the return by the Iowa player...rather he was lamenting the poor decision by the Mizzou QB.

And as far as the Mizzou offense faltering I think you should thank the refs. In no way should that pass have been overturned. Awful, awful, awful call. There was no evidence to overturn that completion based on the call on the field. And I would say the same if it had been called incomplete on the field and then reversed to complete. Point is - it was caled a catch on the field and there was not nearly enough evidence to overturn it. Awful call.
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I don't disagree with too much in your first paragraph (well, except the blinders part :smile:; I really don't think I'm being terribly homer-istic here). They were absolutely driving for what probably would have been a game clinching score, but the guy made a terrible decision. But the mere mention that Missouri gave it away itself discounts the return that Hyde made.

As for the catch/no-catch at the end of the game, watching live I honestly thought he bobbled it and was shocked when they gave him the catch. Then they started showing the replays...I thought it was somewhat clear that 1) it scraped the ground and 2) he was still adjusting it as he was sliding out of bounds. But the fact that the review took a while tells me they were trying to figure out to what extent, and whether or not it was enough to overturn. Even after that, however, Iowa still had to run off a couple (2 or 3, perhaps?) minutes of clock with Missouri having 2 timeouts and they did what they had to do there.

Cyrocks said:
Do you say the same things to your fellow Iowa fans after an Iowa loss when they say things like, "The team wasn't ready to play." or, "this game didn't mean that much to Iowa and it is (insert any team)'s Super Bowl"?

Again, the hypocrisy shown by you Iowa fans is amazing. When Iowa loses, it's because "they gave the game away". When Iowa wins, it's because they are soooo much better.
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You are painting me with a broad brush AND putting words in my mouth. We got outplayed on Tuesday night...were it not for one bad decision by Gabbert and one good play by Prater, we almost assuredly get beaten. We were definitely not "soooo much better." If Iowa hadn't gained 425 yards on offense maybe I would be more apt to agree that the game had more to do with Missouri losing than Iowa winning. But that's not the case...I hate the "Well, it was their Super Bowl" argument. If a team wasn't ready to play, that's an excuse to be laid at the feet of the coaching staff, not as a slight to be taken from the other team.
 
Clark said:
First off, anytime you beat a top 15 opponent in a bowl game, it's a fairly big deal. Winning the insight bowl probably woudn't garner much attention nationally but beating the 12th ranked team will.

I thought going in that it would be an interesting game because the teams were so fundamentally different. Mizzou couldn't handle Iowa's power running game and Iowa couldn't handle Mizzou's spread offense.

It was a classic coin-flip game. Both teams had two turnovers but Iowa scored on one of theirs which was the difference in the game.

Both teams played very well on offense for the most part. I was really impressed with Gabbert's arm and Mizzou's o-line. ISU fans were right about the fact that he folds like a cheap tent under pressure but his o-line did a good job of protecting him for most of the game. As good as Mizzou's o-line was, Iowa's played better. One play all game that went for a loss. Stanzi had all day to throw and Coker had big holes to run through. Stanzi was mediocre at best. Really it was his career in a nutshell. Some really good throws, some really bad throws and somehow the team won inspite of his mistakes.

I thought the Zebras did a good job. There were holding calls on both sides that weren't called and there were a few questionable spots but overall not too bad.
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Pathetic, immature, and selfish attempt to draw attention to your obsession. How old are you again?
 
breck53 said:
And yet another great post from Cyclonestate. Wow -do you stay up late at night thinking of all these thoughtful posts?:cool:
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Nah... Iowa is such an easy target these days with all of their issues it is pretty much like shooting fish in a barrel.
 
LoewDog said:
78...after many years on the sideline, I'm pretty comfortable with my football knowledge. I understand how these teams are built. I also know how teams game plan.

I could give a rip what kind of offenses they typically play...game plans are set for the opponent at hand. A week to stop an experienced RB in a spread offense vs. a month to stop a 4th string RB in a pro set...I guess I would expect the yardage to be a little closer.

Regardless, the point is less about the stats and more about isu fans who want to fly their flag that they are so much better than Hawk fans, but when it comes right down to it you are not.

Mizzu lost this one. Mizzu handed it to them. Hawks got lucky. Mizzu would win next time. Ect. The same rational that you link to Iowa fans when they p iss on isu. Way to come down to "our" level clones :yes:.
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A person with a little knowledge would know that you can gameplan all you want but if you don't have the personel on your team to match up against a power running team then you aren't going to fair well no matter what you do. As you might have noticed in the Big XII bowl games so far Oklahoma State played a spread team and what happened? They dominated them. Mizzou played a power running team and struggled to stop them. Baylor played a power running team in Illinois and they struggled to stop them. Do you think these results have anything at all to do with the type of players Big XII teams recruit to defend against 90% of their conference opponents running the spread offense? :confused:
 
Cyclonestate78 said:
A person with a little knowledge would know that you can gameplan all you want but if you don't have the personel on your team to match up against a power running team then you aren't going to fair well no matter what you do. As you might have noticed in the Big XII bowl games so far Oklahoma State played a spread team and what happened? They dominated them. Mizzou played a power running team and struggled to stop them. Baylor played a power running team in Illinois and they struggled to stop them. Do you think these results have anything at all to do with the type of players Big XII teams recruit to defend against 90% of their conference opponents running the spread offense? :confused:
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Amazing Illinois was able to hold a spread Baylor offense to 14 points while playing in a run first league.
 
Bobber said:
Cripes guys, take it private. That's what Private Messages are for. We don't need to see both of you being big babies.
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JMHO . . . are you afraid of disagreement? You're fear of "supposed" conflict is a little weird.
 
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