Yeah, I agree, but other than Louisville who else makes sense? Noone seems to want Cinci.
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Yeah, I agree, but other than Louisville who else makes sense? Noone seems to want Cinci.
I want Clemson to join unbelievably bad...that would put ISU on a ton here in South Carolina plus I could see them play in person about 2 hours away
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We are getting closer to 20k!
Expansion no longer concerns me, we are safe and I like WVU and TCU.
We are getting closer to 20k!
Expansion no longer concerns me, we are safe and I like WVU and TCU.
It'll be atleast 12. I have a feeling the new BCS system ( 4 Team Playoff) is going to mandate use Conference CCG for seeding purposes
Absolutely. I think if you rank the defections in order of how much they stung it would be:
1. Mizzou
2. Nebraska
3. Texas A&M
4. Colorado
It might eschew regional rivalries, but the money fights that the schools would have if those two schools join would be fun.
I'm not too worried about the rivalries, the ACC teams would bring their own (FSU vs Clemson and Miami, besides fanbases make rivalries. You bring in schools like FSU, Clemson and WV and you're bringing in passionaite fanbases, once those teams start playing for something the fans get involved, then rivalires commence
BYU just isnt a good fit for a lot of reasons. They would have worked in a jam but not it looks like the conference has options. Schools wanting to join the Big 12 all of a sudden shows how bad Bebee ****ed things up, when he was in office.
Actually Nebby would be #1 and A & M would be #2. If Mizzou asked to be back in the league (not that it would happen), do you think the B12 would accept them now? I think not. The B12 would give Mizzou a big F-U.
Disagree, and i'l agree with his order.
Missouri- Close neighbor, long history, and their decision to leave was just inexplicable. Them leaving put us on an island.
Nebraska- Close neighbor, hated team, long history, but their decision made some sense (we'd probably take a b10 invite if offered too).
Texas A&M-Only 15 year history of playing them, SEC made a lot more sense for them than mizzou.
Colorado- Has anyone even noticed theyre gone? Certainly dont miss playing in Boulder.
If any of them wanted to come back (not gonna happen) i think we'd take them provided they complied with all the same conditions as everyone else. There'd be some rough feelings but from a purely business perspective we'd be foolish not to at least consider it.
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Looking at the impact to ISU that order could be argued but the impact to the league as a whole and financially with the TV sets Mizzou does not beat out Nebby. As much as I hate them the Huskers do have a National appeal as do the Aggies vs Mizzou.
Interesting read on conference alignment from a Florida State perspective. Some comments also fairly informative. :spinny:
New Big 12 TV deal nets $20M per team - Tomahawk Nation
New Big 12 TV deal nets $20M per team - Tomahawk Nation
I see the rumored leaks from Big12/ESPN negotiations are having the desired effect.
I think some of the commenters there are missing the boat by saying that ESPN will ride in and save the ACC by granting them a new contract valued at the same as the Big12 by adding Pitt and Syracuse.:twitcy:
It is in ESPN's best financial interest to whittle down the number of conferences they must negotiate with if they can, and when they do, get the ones that are left to sign long term (12+ year) TV deals. ESPN doesn't really care if the Big 12's best football brands move to the ACC or vice versa, just that one conference centered around football revenue is left at the end of the day.
The leaks from contract discussions basically indicate the Big 12 has a green light from TV to do an ACC raid to enhance football income. The incentive is built right in. $2 million more for every school each time two new teams are added.
I still believe NOTHING happens until the BCS finalizes their recommendations for the national championship going forward, but people are talking, and the financial incentive for ACC teams joining the Big 12 are going to be significant.
A comment worth noting from that site.
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ESPN was contracted with the Big 12 through 2015. They did not have to do this deal. However, I think their exclusive rights to negotiate with the Big 12 expired in 2013, which meant the Big 12 could start negotiating on the open market. Fox is in the college football game big time, but more importantly, NBC is lurking. ESPN does NOT want to lose Big 12 programming. So they had incentive to do the deal sooner rather than later, and make it attractive enough for the Big 12 to take itself off the market.
(I may have the exact years wrong, but that’s the general timeline).
As an aside, the Big East was made a similar preemptive offer a couple years ago by ESPN. The deal actually would have paid the football schools on par or better than the ACC from what I’ve read (damning if true). The Big East rejected that deal (the rumor is under pressure from ND), opting to wait to go to the open market. That turned out to be a horrible gamble for the Big East, and we see what happened.
ESPN paid a hefty price to keep the Big 12 off the market. Remember, they’ve got the Big 10 coming up around that same time frame, this avoids dealing with both at the same time.
Now the ACC, they are locked to ESPN, for 12 years. The ACC can’t threaten to go to the open market until 2024. The ONLY thing ESPN has to pay for is Syracuse and Pitt. They have no open market leverage.
So to compare the two deals is apples and oranges.
They were on the open market two years ago, and ended up with this current atrocious deal, which is literally going to pay them half of what the other major conferences are making.
And remember, at the time, Swofford acknowledged that they didn’t take ESPN’s last offer to Fox for a counter. He acknowledged leaving money on the table basically. Now you can make a case that being on ESPN is better than Fox, even for less money. But you can also make the case that Swofford was going to go with ESPN all the time, because that would allow the ACC to preserve a traditional relationship with Raycom (ESPN now licensed our games to Raycom). Which is precisely the kind of old-style thinking that’s landed the ACC where it is financially and competitively.
You can also make the case that Swofford wanted to preserve the relationship with Raycom because his son is an executive there, but I’ll leave that to others."
That sounds an awful like the schools that have left for money reasons the past couple years. If you told me in 2009 that Nebraska, Colorado, Mizzou and A&M would leave the Big 12 because they felt the conference was being run by an idiot and weren't getting paid appropriately, I would of said you were crazy. But they did feel that way and have all left.
Now FSU and Clemson sites are showing that same attitude that there conference is run by an idiot and they aren't getting paid like the other big boy conferences. Will be interesting to see how the summer shakes out.
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ESPN was contracted with the Big 12 through 2015. They did not have to do this deal. However, I think their exclusive rights to negotiate with the Big 12 expired in 2013, which meant the Big 12 could start negotiating on the open market. Fox is in the college football game big time, but more importantly, NBC is lurking. ESPN does NOT want to lose Big 12 programming. So they had incentive to do the deal sooner rather than later, and make it attractive enough for the Big 12 to take itself off the market.
(I may have the exact years wrong, but that’s the general timeline).
As an aside, the Big East was made a similar preemptive offer a couple years ago by ESPN. The deal actually would have paid the football schools on par or better than the ACC from what I’ve read (damning if true). The Big East rejected that deal (the rumor is under pressure from ND), opting to wait to go to the open market. That turned out to be a horrible gamble for the Big East, and we see what happened.
ESPN paid a hefty price to keep the Big 12 off the market. Remember, they’ve got the Big 10 coming up around that same time frame, this avoids dealing with both at the same time.
Now the ACC, they are locked to ESPN, for 12 years. The ACC can’t threaten to go to the open market until 2024. The ONLY thing ESPN has to pay for is Syracuse and Pitt. They have no open market leverage.
So to compare the two deals is apples and oranges.
They were on the open market two years ago, and ended up with this current atrocious deal, which is literally going to pay them half of what the other major conferences are making.
And remember, at the time, Swofford acknowledged that they didn’t take ESPN’s last offer to Fox for a counter. He acknowledged leaving money on the table basically. Now you can make a case that being on ESPN is better than Fox, even for less money. But you can also make the case that Swofford was going to go with ESPN all the time, because that would allow the ACC to preserve a traditional relationship with Raycom (ESPN now licensed our games to Raycom). Which is precisely the kind of old-style thinking that’s landed the ACC where it is financially and competitively.
You can also make the case that Swofford wanted to preserve the relationship with Raycom because his son is an executive there, but I’ll leave that to others."
That sounds an awful like the schools that have left for money reasons the past couple years. If you told me in 2009 that Nebraska, Colorado, Mizzou and A&M would leave the Big 12 because they felt the conference was being run by an idiot and weren't getting paid appropriately, I would of said you were crazy. But they did feel that way and have all left.
Now FSU and Clemson sites are showing that same attitude that there conference is run by an idiot and they aren't getting paid like the other big boy conferences. Will be interesting to see how the summer shakes out.
Do we have any credible information on who the potential targets of the Big 12 will be? I have been hearing BYU, Louisville, Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Arkansas, Cincinnati, Maryland, BC, VA Tech from different sites all over the place. The only realistic teams I see are Louisville, Cincy, BYU and possibly Kentucky. Kentucky is the interesting team, if we can offer them those Tier 3 rights along with the great basketball we have I think we might have a chance to pull a coup on the SEC. I don't think this will happen, but it is interesting to think about.
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