Clemson = Land Grant institution. Sign 'em up!
Just spent a week in SC for a conference. Nice state.
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Clemson = Land Grant institution. Sign 'em up!
Just spent a week in SC for a conference. Nice state.
Id be fine with FSU\Clemson. No desire for any more than 12.
In fact, while i really want 12\divisions\8games for football, i love our round robin for basketball. I like having everyone at home every year. Id still lean towards saying the b12 needs 12, but at the point where i'd be less disappointed if it didnt happen.
In fact, while i really want 12\divisions\8games for football, i love our round robin for basketball. I like having everyone at home every year. Id still lean towards saying the b12 needs 12, but at the point where i'd be less disappointed if it didnt happen.
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I've never met a group of people with more pride in their state than South Carolinians.
That's for sure and it's in a good way not arrogant like some other states (Texas). I chatted it up with locals any chance I could. I was very impressed with their knowledge of their own state and history. I would visit there again for sure.
I'd love to see Florida State and Clemson jump. Holy crap on the conference football schedule though.
It really makes no sense that a conference that has been worse on the field than the Big East should have more power than the second best league in the country.
It makes a lot of sense for the football-first ACC schools to join the Big 12 and bring both leagues to 12. FSU and Clemson in the Big 12 makes for a hell of a league.
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Instead of Clemson, or in addition? The schools are only a couple of hours apart, so I imagine they share a lot of the same market...so the TV execs driving this bus might not see the value in adding both programs.
Would love Clemson and FSU. SEC stretches from Mizzou to Florida. Kansas/Iowa isn't that much difference.
I think if this were to happen, WVU, Clemson, and FSU would all be in the same division so they could have 2 games quite close in comparison to the rest of the Big 12.
I think if this were to happen, WVU, Clemson, and FSU would all be in the same division so they could have 2 games quite close in comparison to the rest of the Big 12.
I like this line up, which would give us a permanent presence in both Texas and Florida for recruiting purposes.
East
ISU (protected rivalry KSU or KU)
WV
FSU
Clemson
TCU (protected rivalry Tech)
Baylor (protected rivalry Texas)
West
OU
OSU
KU
KSU
Tech
Texas
East
ISU (protected rivalry KSU or KU)
WV
FSU
Clemson
TCU (protected rivalry Tech)
Baylor (protected rivalry Texas)
West
OU
OSU
KU
KSU
Tech
Texas
Now you guys are starting to think like Mike Slive!
I don't favor it, but if you can get to 14 or 16 teams you are creating enough inventory for a potential Tier 4 tv deal--enough slots to fully cover the league and bring in even more $$$$$.
Or a conference network with Tier 3 and 4 content which would be enough inventory to make it work (get it on cable and satellite). That would drive up the value of the Tier 1 and 2 contracts immensely because the quality level for those first four game picks every week would be pretty freaking high.
I don't favor it, but if you can get to 14 or 16 teams you are creating enough inventory for a potential Tier 4 tv deal--enough slots to fully cover the league and bring in even more $$$$$.
Or a conference network with Tier 3 and 4 content which would be enough inventory to make it work (get it on cable and satellite). That would drive up the value of the Tier 1 and 2 contracts immensely because the quality level for those first four game picks every week would be pretty freaking high.
ACK, we would only play two original Big12 members in that scenario and the only "close" game would be the KU/KSU protected rival game.
That's what scares me about adding FSU/Clemson instead of Louisville and someone else.
Could go to 14 with Georgia Tech and Louisville.
WVU
Clemson
FSU
Georgia Tech
Louisville
UT
TCU
ISU
KU
KSU
OU
OSU
Tech
Baylor
That is as regional as I could get it. Would make a cool conference.
Actually, I might switch up the following:
Clemson
FSU
Georgia Tech
UT
TCU
Tech
Baylor
ISU
KU
KSU
OU
OSU
WVU
Louisville
Then it woudl be a North/South Split, it would keep all of the Texas teams together to travel, and every team would have a protected Rival (OU/UT...). Then you would play your 6 conference mates, 1 protected rival, and then rotate 2 other teams from the other division every 2 years.
Just as long as we are in the same division as KU and KSU I'm okay. We need to keep a couple within driving distance.
The ACC would get what it deserves for poaching football schools into a basketball conference over the years.
The ironic reality of the EASILY #2 football conference being "unstable" was really stupid. Only epic, earth shattering egomania from athletic departments like Nebraska, Oklahoma, A&M, and Texas could have ever caused that. Two of the egomaniacs are gone, two of them have come to their senses and another delusional team decided to implode their program out of spite. It's now a 10 team league with 5-6 regular top 25 programs that should easily be able to add two more if it wants to in the current climate where football is king.
SEC would get what it has coming to it as well if Big 12 takes a huge chomp out of their top talent state and South Carolina. Even swap of our turf for yours. Big 12 still has half of Missouri and SEC would still have half of S. Carolina. Florida State for A&M, wash.
ACC and SEC can suck it. I'd rather the new Big East regroup and survive as a football power than the ACC anyway. It's not like the ACC hasn't had plenty of unranked champs, with Boise State in the Big East the ACC is the worst at the top already now.
If Florida State is in the mix, the rest of the conference members would be stone cold stupid to not go ahead with a legit Big 12 Network even if Texas wants to keep their network that nobody carries.
This could work great if WVU gets Clemson as the protected rival. Protected rival isn't really so much the case as travel bonus. It doesn't just help with the one shorter trip, it makes long trips like WVU-Texas Tech less common and KSU-FSU. If there's no real major rival every team should just have a set game with a not-furthest non-division school.
If there's no strong push to keep the Texas four together, swapping Tech for WVU could be an option as well. They're the closest to the Oklahoma and Kansas schools right?
There are clearly 4 power fb conferences. having those be 14-14-12-12 makes more sense than having them be 14-10-12-12 with the two stragglers at 14 and whatever the Big East ends up at. B1G could always grab ND with Pitt/MD/UConn/Rutgers to make 14 if they want. The Mountain West is much better at basketball than the Pac 12, they could find a way to get to 14 too if they want to badly enough.
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