*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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You all know what this means...if they don't join until 2013 that means they're not letting WV go until then. That means the B12 isn't letting Mizzou go until then.
1 more year of Mizzoulander and QBUMizzou.
Awaiting Mizzoulander to get on here with crazy logic to refute this in 3...2...1...
1 more year of Mizzoulander and QBUMizzou.
Awaiting Mizzoulander to get on here with crazy logic to refute this in 3...2...1...
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Big 12 Expansion Options: Every New Beginning is Some Other Beginning’s End « FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT
Basically outlines three options for the Big 12:
1) Conservative Option: Add Louisville and Cincinnati
2) Aggressive Option: Add Louisville and Rutgers
3) Nor'easter Option: Add Rutgers and UConn as all-sports members and add Notre Dame as a non-football member
Big 12 Expansion Options: Every New Beginning is Some Other Beginning’s End « FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT
Basically outlines three options for the Big 12:
1) Conservative Option: Add Louisville and Cincinnati
2) Aggressive Option: Add Louisville and Rutgers
3) Nor'easter Option: Add Rutgers and UConn as all-sports members and add Notre Dame as a non-football member
Ive never gotten why Notre Dame as a non-football member is such a great idea. All their value is in football. Its not like they saved the big east.
Option 4 would be the super aggresive option: Add Lou, Cinci, Rutgers & UCONN.
I was just about to post this. Saw it was posted on Frank the Tank's blog yesterday. You know the Big East leftovers aren't crazy about getting into a 4 corners conference of the US. Therefore, they're ready to jump ship and the Big East will be able to live on in some form now with all the newbies.
I think the Aggressive option is likely given Boren's comments about those 2 recently.
It will be interesting to see how the timing of everything plays out with Jon Wilner saying the SEC is planning on going to 16. They're hoping to get 2 ACC teams to move Mizzou to the SEC West. So if Rutgers and UConn wait it out, they're probably get into the ACC as replacement teams.
This article notes that Air Force and Navy are still taking a wait and see approach to the new Big East. Their commitment is not imminent like with the other five...
Also notes that the end goal is to get to at least 12 teams for a conference championship game. Which means that if the service academies don't join, then its going to be slim pickings for the last two schools. Since BYU has said no, it will probably be two of: Memphis, East Carolina, or Temple.
Big East ready to expand - The Boston Globe College Sports Blog - Boston.com
Also notes that the end goal is to get to at least 12 teams for a conference championship game. Which means that if the service academies don't join, then its going to be slim pickings for the last two schools. Since BYU has said no, it will probably be two of: Memphis, East Carolina, or Temple.
Big East ready to expand - The Boston Globe College Sports Blog - Boston.com
Adding aTm and Misery wasn't enough to get the TV types to open their checkbooks graciously and head off the relatively small long term deal they just began. The SEC will keep plugging for more TV money and will push to do it before the Big 12 renegotiates and takes leverage away.
The big picture: SEC doesn't want the Big 12 to sign a bigger long term tv deal than the one they got, but it is likely to happen. Slive messed up the last TV negotiations, giving in for a longer term deal for less money than was available a couple years later. Pac-12 got a huge deal and is one of the lower rated conferences for tv viewers per household. More eyeballs watch Big 12 football nation wide than Pac 12. Efforts as weakening the Big 12 are all about limiting the Big 12 tier 1 deal so that there is some money the SEC could potentially chase in a renegotiation.
SEC efforts to dismantle the Big 12, having failed, mean they will make a push to add some other teams (probably ACC) in an attempt to get TV types to open their checkbooks.
Pac 12 Championship got a 3.2 share.
Big 10 championship got a 4.3 share.
Lat year's Big 12 championship got a 5.3. (There was no game this year obviously, although OU/OSU got a 3.7 despite going up against both of the other "hyped for TV' championship games.
FYI, SEC championship game drew a 7.3. Must be upsetting to Slive knowing he may have missed the TV money train!
Big 10 championship got a 4.3 share.
Lat year's Big 12 championship got a 5.3. (There was no game this year obviously, although OU/OSU got a 3.7 despite going up against both of the other "hyped for TV' championship games.
FYI, SEC championship game drew a 7.3. Must be upsetting to Slive knowing he may have missed the TV money train!
Andy_Staples Andy Staples
K State AD Currie on Big 12 realignment: "We wish we had managed public relations better in our league."
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Bowlsby: "I see us staying at 12 for a while;" doesn't see any additional expansion candidates on horizon. #sbjiaf
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Bowlsby: any further Pac-12 expansion will be "aquisition" not a "merger" & complete media revenue sharing is absolute condition. #sbjiaf
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Will Pac-12 evolve into 16 teams? Bowlsby says league hasn't spent much time on issue "recently." #sbjiaf
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UCLA AD Guerrero: no reason for us to look at a 16 team conference right now; at some point it becomes unwieldly. #sbjiaf
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K State AD Currie on Big 12 realignment: "We wish we had managed public relations better in our league."
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Bowlsby: "I see us staying at 12 for a while;" doesn't see any additional expansion candidates on horizon. #sbjiaf
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ChaddScott Chadd Scott
Bowlsby: any further Pac-12 expansion will be "aquisition" not a "merger" & complete media revenue sharing is absolute condition. #sbjiaf
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ChaddScott Chadd Scott
Will Pac-12 evolve into 16 teams? Bowlsby says league hasn't spent much time on issue "recently." #sbjiaf
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ChaddScott Chadd Scott
UCLA AD Guerrero: no reason for us to look at a 16 team conference right now; at some point it becomes unwieldly. #sbjiaf
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I doubt they do. I think the sole reason ACC approached Pitt and Syracuse was fear of getting teams poached by the SEC. It was a pro-active move, but I don't think it was necessarrilly meant to be an aggressive one. If the SEC comes calling for say VaTech and FSU, I think there's a good chance that the ACC will be just fine with settling back in at 12. Then everybody can just sit back and wait for the 16 team SEC to collapse under it's own weight.
Andy_Staples Andy Staples
K State AD Currie on Big 12 realignment: "We wish we had managed public relations better in our league."
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ChaddScott Chadd Scott
Bowlsby: "I see us staying at 12 for a while;" doesn't see any additional expansion candidates on horizon. #sbjiaf
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ChaddScott Chadd Scott
Bowlsby: any further Pac-12 expansion will be "aquisition" not a "merger" & complete media revenue sharing is absolute condition. #sbjiaf
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ChaddScott Chadd Scott
Will Pac-12 evolve into 16 teams? Bowlsby says league hasn't spent much time on issue "recently." #sbjiaf
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ChaddScott Chadd Scott
UCLA AD Guerrero: no reason for us to look at a 16 team conference right now; at some point it becomes unwieldly. #sbjiaf
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I bet Larry Scott HATES his bosses right now.
I've felt for a long time that the push for Pac-12 expansion was more from Scott than from any of the universities themselves. I think he whipped them into a frenzy in 2010, and now that they have 12 teams, their championship game, and their divisions, that they (presidents and ADs) want nothing to do with 16 teams.
Larry Scott would sell his first born to do it, but that doesn't matter when his bosses won't green light it.
Agreed. It never made sense to me why schools like Colorado would support bringing in B12 teams, that would probably diminish their west coast exposure (one of the reasons they joined in the first place); or why schools like ASU would support it given they could be broken away from the PAC schools they have history with if they were moved into a PAC-East (and all schools would be seeing a bunch of schools less than they had in the past). It was just assumed by everyone that the presidents would get on board, but i think that was what ultimately killed OU\UT to the PAC- the presidents said 'hold up... this kills a lot about what we like about the PAC'
I might just have Christmas cheer or something going on, but I feel like the big xii is stabilizing fairly well now. Without mo and Tammy and adding tcu and the eers, I think we have made a nice improvement. Not that I want the extra travel, but mo was always lifting her skirt for ANY other conference and kept starting in fighting, so long term getting rid of her calms things down.
Tammy always had a complex towards the horns and that now is solved. We have a commish putting plans together and locking things together. Being at ten teams for at least a couple years will actually help also, IMO. I feel that by playing everyone, it makes us feel more like one conference and not 2 groups in a sharing agreement. It gives the feel of the old big8. I don't care what the mo trolls say, they are just trying to justify their wh****h attitude.
Tammy always had a complex towards the horns and that now is solved. We have a commish putting plans together and locking things together. Being at ten teams for at least a couple years will actually help also, IMO. I feel that by playing everyone, it makes us feel more like one conference and not 2 groups in a sharing agreement. It gives the feel of the old big8. I don't care what the mo trolls say, they are just trying to justify their wh****h attitude.
I don't think that's true...
SEC will reopen contract with ESPN - CBSSports.com
It's silly to think that everything the SEC is doing is because they want to "weaken" the Big 12 and hold more "leverage." There's plenty of TV money for everyone, and if the SEC was REALLY interested in wrecking the Big 12, they wouldn't have added TAMU and MU. They would have found a spot for OU, and watched as the rest of the Big 12 dissolved.
This move was about increasing the amount of money available to member schools...that's it. They found two nearby schools who wanted out of the Big 12 and that could get them more money from the TV networks.
The SEC may expand to 16, but only if they can move into areas they're not already in (like NC, VA, or OK). In the end, all of the teams that moved are happier, and all of the major conferences are still functioning. Everybody walks away satisified.
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