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Couldn't they have least waited for the first tier rights to come around for negotiation?
I wonder if the reason they will add another Texas school just to have another Texas school in the conference to replace the one that left.
 
DistrictCyclone said:
Look, dummy, KC is not "gaining the SEC". How many Alabama/Auburn/UGA/SC/Ole Miss alumni have you ever met in KC? Certainly not droves of them that descend upon bars in massive swarms on the weekend. You think people are going to automatically start caring about these faraway teams just because Missery plays them? Can you ever envision the prospect of a Mississippi State bar opening up in Westport? Is the Sprit Center going to be hosting any SEC basketball tournaments? Of all the reasons you think Missery is making a smart move, this has to be the most foolish.

KC is, beyond the shadow of a doubt, a Big 12 town. KU, MU, K-State, ISU, OU, OSU, and Texas alumni probably comprise 75% of the college graduates in the area. For those locals that didn't go to college or went elsewhere for their education, they probably grew up watching those teams, just like their fathers and grandfathers did. The entirety of the conference is within driving distance of KC with the exception of WVU. About the only SEC towns markedly close are Columbia and Fayetteville (and Arkansas won't even be in Missery's division). The overwhelming majority of the SEC is still going to be half a continent away; geographically, culturally, and competitively.

Rather than "KC gaining the SEC", it's more likely that Missery is just going to further alienate themselves and their alumni in the region--you'll be off in the corner asking the barkeep to turn on the Vandy/SC game while the other 75% of the people in the bar will be too busy watching K-State play OSU with their friends to even notice or care (yes, that's a metaphor...but one that I can see actually happening at the Quaff on any given Saturday).
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Let's Go State said:
As a former kc resident. Mizzou fans in kc are devastated and feel alienated. One guy told me that conference play will totally lose value. No local competition, loss of tradition, and low chance of competing. And for what... Because the sec wants to have 14?... Not because the sec wants Missouri.
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Well said guys.
 
Cydkar said:
Why? Mizzou isn't tied to WVU or the Big East in ANY way.
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I think the Big 12 would end up suing Mizzou for not being able to fulfill the TV contracts if the B12 drops to 9 teams for 2012. But if WVU makes it in for 2012, then there is not an issue with giving ABC & Fox the promised inventory.

Mizzou is having a hard enough time trying to find $25-30 million let alone potentially even more than that. They're cheap and broke.
 
My twitter had been so quiet with the realignment stuff dying down a bit.

Other than a variety of schools waiting at bus stops...what's new?
 
DistrictCyclone said:
Look, dummy, KC is not "gaining the SEC". How many Alabama/Auburn/UGA/SC/Ole Miss alumni have you ever met in KC? Certainly not droves of them that descend upon bars in massive swarms on the weekend. You think people are going to automatically start caring about these faraway teams just because Missery plays them? Can you ever envision the prospect of a Mississippi State bar opening up in Westport? Is the Sprit Center going to be hosting any SEC basketball tournaments? Of all the reasons you think Missery is making a smart move, this has to be the most foolish.

KC is, beyond the shadow of a doubt, a Big 12 town. KU, MU, K-State, ISU, OU, OSU, and Texas alumni probably comprise 75% of the college graduates in the area. For those locals that didn't go to college or went elsewhere for their education, they probably grew up watching those teams, just like their fathers and grandfathers did. The entirety of the conference is within driving distance of KC with the exception of WVU. About the only SEC towns markedly close are Columbia and Fayetteville (and Arkansas won't even be in Missery's division). The overwhelming majority of the SEC is still going to be half a continent away; geographically, culturally, and competitively.

Rather than "KC gaining the SEC", it's more likely that Missery is just going to further alienate themselves and their alumni in the region--you'll be off in the corner asking the barkeep to turn on the Vandy/SC game while the other 75% of the people in the bar will be too busy watching K-State play OSU with their friends to even notice or care (yes, that's a metaphor...but one that I can see actually happening at the Quaff on any given Saturday).
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If by "driving distance" you mean "roads exist that connect the 2 locations" I guess that's true. But that 12-hour KC-to-Austin jaunt seems a bit much. :smile:

Here's where I think your argument breaks down: you seem to think that you need lots of fans from different teams in the same conference. You don't. STL bars show Missouri games, and some of those fans care about other B12 games - but only because the outcome might influence Mizzou. They also show Illini games, and some of those fans would watch Iowa-Wisconsin. But only because of its relationship to Illinois.

Look at it this way: if the unthinkable happened earlier this year, and ISU was forced to join the Big East, would Cyclone fans in DSM abandon their team to continue watching sporting events with UT, OU, or KU? Of course not. They'd start paying attention to Pitt, Syracuse, etc. because they affect ISU.

Did Omaha continue to follow the Big 12 when NU left? No way...they're a Big 10 town, now. KC is the same thing (but with a split proportion of MU fans). They'll pay attention to the conference games that affect MU.

I maintain that there really aren't that many fans that follow a conference other than the one their team is in. If there were thousands of "Big 12" fans in KC, why didn't they show for Farmagedden? KU played a road game on a Friday, and MU played SDSU in Columbia. Arrowhead remained half empty because only fans of the TEAMS go to games...not fans of the conference.

Fans are fans everywhere. The MU supporters in KC will pay more attention to SEC games. The KU and KSU fans won't. There are plenty of TVs at bars in KC for all.
 
VeloClone said:
I have driven Dallas to Ames all in a day and that is marginally further.
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UT doesn't play (most of) its games in Dallas. Austin is another 3.5 hours further south. That's roughly the same amount of time as KC-to-Morgantown. Plus, I've always felt the drive SEEMS longer, because once you cross in TX, you FEEL like you're almost there. In reality, you're about halfway.

Even road trips to Atlanta aren't as far, by comparison. :smile:
 
Mizzoulander said:
UT doesn't play (most of) its games in Dallas. Austin is another 3.5 hours further south. That's roughly the same amount of time as KC-to-Morgantown. Plus, I've always felt the drive SEEMS longer, because once you cross in TX, you FEEL like you're almost there. In reality, you're about halfway.

Even road trips to Atlanta aren't as far, by comparison. :smile:
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The roads to go east suck much worse than the road to Austin. Memphis is a mess.
 
Mizzou trek to the SEC reminds me of hitting those impassible trails on Oregon Trail and losing a week.
 
Mizzoulander said:
If by "driving distance" you mean "roads exist that connect the 2 locations" I guess that's true. But that 12-hour KC-to-Austin jaunt seems a bit much. :smile:

Here's where I think your argument breaks down: you seem to think that you need lots of fans from different teams in the same conference. You don't. STL bars show Missouri games, and some of those fans care about other B12 games - but only because the outcome might influence Mizzou. They also show Illini games, and some of those fans would watch Iowa-Wisconsin. But only because of its relationship to Illinois.

Look at it this way: if the unthinkable happened earlier this year, and ISU was forced to join the Big East, would Cyclone fans in DSM abandon their team to continue watching sporting events with UT, OU, or KU? Of course not. They'd start paying attention to Pitt, Syracuse, etc. because they affect ISU.

Did Omaha continue to follow the Big 12 when NU left? No way...they're a Big 10 town, now. KC is the same thing (but with a split proportion of MU fans). They'll pay attention to the conference games that affect MU.

I maintain that there really aren't that many fans that follow a conference other than the one their team is in. If there were thousands of "Big 12" fans in KC, why didn't they show for Farmagedden? KU played a road game on a Friday, and MU played SDSU in Columbia. Arrowhead remained half empty because only fans of the TEAMS go to games...not fans of the conference.

Fans are fans everywhere. The MU supporters in KC will pay more attention to SEC games. The KU and KSU fans won't. There are plenty of TVs at bars in KC for all.
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I could agree with you, but then we'd both be idiots. To borrow an all-time great line, "Jane, you ignorant slut!" First, it only takes 10.5 hours to drive to KC from Austin, on a slow day. Second, no matter how you try to defend this pending move and minimize the damage I have to believe that even YOU know its crap. Missouri (the state, not the school) was the hub of the Big XII in a number of ways. KC was the center of the former Big 8, god rest its soul, and really served as the middle-ground in the current structure. As much as I could not care less about MU leaving, it is truly unfortunate how the move will completely marginalize the state. Beyond this, I'm saddened because the complexion of the leaque will now undoubtedly take on a more "southern" feel.
 
Mizzoulander said:
What do you think is causing the delay in announcing their conditional withdrawal?
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Mizzou either realizes it is a stupid move from a monetary or competitive sense or MO has no clothes to pay the bill and was hoping for a free ride. At least WVU has placed a $2.5M bet to go Big 12. Has MO put in an application, has the SEC allowed an application, has MO put a down payment to Big 12 or are they taking all the revenues this year?

TCU and WVU are much further along on the road to Austin than aTm and MO are to Birmingham.

Brady's two weeks are up. Time for MO to leave the stall.

TAMmy is loitering at the bustop. She is startiung to look bad.
 
Wesley said:
Cannibals and snow in the passes was also a problem.
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In the new SEC trail game, you would see something that said "Mizzou gets caught having sex with his sister, lose 8 days." This would explain the constant delay in this decision for them.
 
chuckd4735 said:
In the new SEC trail game, you would see something that said "Mizzou gets caught having sex with his sister, lose 8 days." This would explain the constant delay in this decision for them.
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Mizzou drinks to much red kool aid, throws up and thinks it's blood spends night in hospital. Lose 1 day.
 
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