*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Rumblebelly316]

So with the latest info from ESPN about us staying at 10 and allowing Mizzou to take as long as they want to decide... I am thinking the Big 12 is not as strong or in as good of shape as I was thinking. If we can't even make MIZZOU (we are not talking Texas here, we are talking stinking Missouri) decide within a time frame, then we really do have no plans to take from the east and we will be open for raiding next round again.

IF that article is correct, but it's full of quotes...

 

[colbycheese]

BYU also doesn't want any sporting events to take place on Sundays, which sounds like something on which they are not willing to negotiate.

 

[Wesley]

Not sure how it will all unfold in this situation where one team is taking the place of another team, but in the case of the Big 10 where a team was added, Nebraska will not become a full-share member until 2017.

If TCU's place is to become a full-share immediately member, they have just fell into a money pit. If it is the "Nebraska" way then who gets the extra cash that TCU will not receive?

The same should happen to MOe and TAMmy to the SEC. Not full members till B12 has a new contract. Maybe the money is in a more sound currency such as yuans in the SEC?

 

[shawn_200m]

Neinas said this morning that the B12 will be a 10 team league next year regardless of what Mizzou decides. They will decide on 10 or 12 after Mizzou's decision, but that would not effect the 2012 season regardless.

 

[Wesley]

Neinas said this morning that the B12 will be a 10 team league next year regardless of what Mizzou decides. They will decide on 10 or 12 after Mizzou's decision, but that would not effect the 2012 season regardless.

Smells like BE additions in 2013.

 

[HandSanitizer]

Neinas said this morning that the B12 will be a 10 team league next year regardless of what Mizzou decides. They will decide on 10 or 12 after Mizzou's decision, but that would not effect the 2012 season regardless.

ISU could be in trouble Football wise the next few years. I think divisions is the only way ISU can compete in this league.
Playing 3 non conference games (Iowa being one of them and probably being ranked a lot of the time)
Then playing 9 conference games with 4-6 of them being ranked with probably 3 in the top 10.

Cincy and L'ville would be good for us

 

[cyman05]

I thought the line at the bottom of this was interesting. Blair Kirkoff obviously got this floated out here from somewhere. I doubt he's just just making it up...

It says the new Tier 1 deal could be double the Tier 2 deal. Let's pretend for a minute that it actually came true.

Right now the new Tier 2 deal will average $90 mil/yr = 9 mil/team/yr
If Tier 1 doubles, that would be $180 mil/yr = 18 mil/team/yr

Put the two together and that's $27 million/team/yr. That's without Tier 3 rights included. If ISU could pool their 3rd tier rights together with a few other schools you'd think they could make another 1 million per year plus the added exposure. Wow if true. Getting close to $30 million/yr. At that point you'd be at worst about equal with the ACC and PAC (if not probably ahead of them) and at least in the ballpark of the Big 10 and SEC.

Neinas expects Missouri in the Big 12 for 2012 - KansasCity.com

Neinas also questioned a financial component of a study reviewed by the Missouri Board of Curators and obtained by The Associated Press that said the school could anticipate a revenue gain of $12 million annually compared to the Big 12.
“I don’t think that’s accurate,†said Neinas, who said the SEC would have to come up with an additional $168 million annually to make the numbers work for 14 schools.
The 45-page document, which was reviewed by the curators on Oct. 4, detailed the pros and cons of Missouri’s SEC interest. “I’d like to see the report,†Neinas said. “I’d like to know who wrote it.â€
Besides, Neinas said, “we may have a couple of cards to play, too.â€
He’s likely referring to the league’s Tier I television package, which expires after the 2015 football season, and could double the Tier II deal with Fox that begins next year that’s worth $1.2 billion over 13 years.

 

[VeloClone]

So with the latest info from ESPN about us staying at 10 and allowing Mizzou to take as long as they want to decide... I am thinking the Big 12 is not as strong or in as good of shape as I was thinking. If we can't even make MIZZOU (we are not talking Texas here, we are talking stinking Missouri) decide within a time frame, then we really do have no plans to take from the east and we will be open for raiding next round again.

IF that article is correct, but it's full of quotes...

What mechanism does the Big 12 have for giving an ultimatum? How can the Big 12 kick someone out and what kind of uwieldy process would they have to go through? I'm sure it isn't as simple as the Commissioner just talking out of his ***. He is powerless without a consensus of schools, probably a healthy supermajority.

 

[Clonefan94]

What mechanism does the Big 12 have for giving an ultimatum? How can the Big 12 kick someone out and what kind of uwieldy process would they have to go through? I'm sure it isn't as simple as the Commissioner just talking out of his ***. He is powerless without a consensus of schools, probably a healthy supermajority.

It's probably what Missouri wants. Get booted, no exit fees. I can't imagine what policies are in place for actually removing a school from the conference. I hope they are crazy hard to pull off. All though, I think at some point, when the rest of the league is on a path for stability and trying to establish policies for the future, revenue sharing, TV money yet Missouri keeps choosing not to vote, can't you say they really aren't part of the league as they are not participating as a member should?

 

[Cyclophile1]

I thought the line at the bottom of this was interesting. Blair Kirkoff obviously got this floated out here from somewhere. I doubt he's just just making it up...

It says the new Tier 1 deal could be double the Tier 2 deal. Let's pretend for a minute that it actually came true.

Right now the new Tier 2 deal will average $90 mil/yr = 9 mil/team/yr
If Tier 1 doubles, that would be $180 mil/yr = 18 mil/team/yr

Put the two together and that's $27 million/team/yr. That's without Tier 3 rights included. If ISU could pool their 3rd tier rights together with a few other schools you'd think they could make another 1 million per year plus the added exposure. Wow if true. Getting close to $30 million/yr. At that point you'd be at worst about equal with the ACC and PAC (if not probably ahead of them) and at least in the ballpark of the Big 10 and SEC.

Neinas expects Missouri in the Big 12 for 2012 - KansasCity.com

Neinas also questioned a financial component of a study reviewed by the Missouri Board of Curators and obtained by The Associated Press that said the school could anticipate a revenue gain of $12 million annually compared to the Big 12.
“I don’t think that’s accurate,†said Neinas, who said the SEC would have to come up with an additional $168 million annually to make the numbers work for 14 schools.
The 45-page document, which was reviewed by the curators on Oct. 4, detailed the pros and cons of Missouri’s SEC interest. “I’d like to see the report,†Neinas said. “I’d like to know who wrote it.â€
Besides, Neinas said, “we may have a couple of cards to play, too.â€
He’s likely referring to the league’s Tier I television package, which expires after the 2015 football season, and could double the Tier II deal with Fox that begins next year that’s worth $1.2 billion over 13 years.

It's even better than that because we make about $4.5 million a year from our Tier 3 contracts right now. Under most scenarios, there is probably, conservatively an additional $4-$6 million to made by getting a BigXII network or BigXII NORTH regional network going.

 

[CyVeteran]

Neinas is playing hardball and calling Mizzou's bluff by saying that regardless Mizzou will be in the Big XII for the 2012 season.

 

[jbhtexas]

ISU could be in trouble Football wise the next few years. I think divisions is the only way ISU can compete in this league.

The head coach thinks ten teams is just fine.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum...comments-810-whb-kc-just-now.html#post2447613

- No strong preference for numbers of schools in B12, but likes 10 teams because every team plays each other. Gives true champion.

 

[CycloneErik]

The head coach thinks ten teams is just fine.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum...comments-810-whb-kc-just-now.html#post2447613

Although that is the company line right now.

I really prefer 12. I know it's not necessarily a guarantee of stability, but it doesn't look like everything falls apart when one school gets the wandering eyes.

 

[mustangcy]

ISU could be in trouble Football wise the next few years. I think divisions is the only way ISU can compete in this league.
Playing 3 non conference games (Iowa being one of them and probably being ranked a lot of the time)
Then playing 9 conference games with 4-6 of them being ranked with probably 3 in the top 10.

Cincy and L'ville would be good for us

I agree 100% here. If the Big 12 stays at 10 and keeps that 3 game NC schedule ISU will lucky to make a bowl game even when we are really good. That is if the conference continues to stay as strong as it is...divisional play is the only way can creep up from the bottom and thats IF we start adding teams that we can beat on a consistant basis. My ultimate fear would be if CPR does everything we ask of him, turns the program around talent wise, and still only ends up with 4-7 wins a year because we play 7-8 ranked teams a year.

 

[CrossCyed]

I'd be really surprised if that's really what Paul prefers.

 

[EggMcClone]

I think a 10 team league as it's set up now would make more money for ISU than any of the realistic 12 team league options would but that football schedule is absolutely brutal. Forget BCS bowls, the path to 6 or 7 wins will be difficult enough for the average ISU team.

 

[jbhtexas]

Although that is the company line right now.

Not for all companies. Bill Snyder has made it pretty clear that he wants 12 teams.

 

[Wesley]

I am now convinced that Mizzou is just stalling in the wild hopes that Slive the Shyster can convince the V-Bilts of the world to vote them in. He probabaly has figured out that trhe SEC did not get enough money in their deal and he wants a reset. Guess what? That may not happen. By 2016, Slive may look like he did not make the best deal.

 

[Wesley]

I'd be really surprised if that's really what Paul prefers.

This is a no brainer. Just ask Bill Snyder. After he went 5-0, he has come out with the 12 team "Me Likey".

 

[boone7247]

Here is the problem with a 12 team league.

Texas and OU don't want to have to play each other twice. And any network is going to require that they be seperate divisions and be protected rivals. That means based on history they would have to play eachother twice to win the title, I really don't think either schools wants to do that. Even if we add WVU and UL with Mizzou staying I don't think it would be a north with ISU, KU, KSU, WVU, UL and MU. ESPN/ABC would require UT and OU to be in seperate divisions. I am sure this happend with Michigan and Ohio State last year, sure the B1G spun it, but I am sure ESPN said put them in seperate divisions to maximize your payout.