Sources close to me tell me, MU might have something to say later today..... Seriously....
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Sources close to me tell me, MU might have something to say later today..... Seriously....
I'll grant that climate may play SOME role, but in FB it's minor at best. NU's went from dominant national power to typically-strong regional team because of scholarship restrictions and the retirement of Osbourne. It's not like it got colder in Nebraska since the 1990s.
CU declined because their rise was flukey to begin with; they got good because of one coach who brought them up at a time when OU and UT were both down. They never had fan support or huge resources, even when they were good.
You make it sound like recruits are carefully examining the campus's latitude at Rand McNally before committing. I say that's hogwash. It is easier to recruit in the South because there are more kids playing football (and good football) than elsewhere. Many of them like to play for team they are familiar with. A few might want to stay warm. But that's it.
If your theory is correct, then I'm looking forward to future nat'l championship games between the Rainbow Warriors of Hawaii and San Diego State.
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Did he say warm weather was the ONLY factor? NO. The best players aren't going to Hawaii and San Diego State because of their conference and facilities. But weather is a factor, especially for kids that have lived in warm weather their ENTIRE lives.
And why is it different today than in the 90's? Two reasons. One, a higher percentage of people live in the south today than then. Second, kids are not as tough today. They want to be coddled. It is more of a factor than you think. It is definitely more of a factor than it was in the 90's. Today's parents are too soft on their kids (the ones that have parents at home).
Good to see.
Probably a pretty good friend of ISU, with a PhD in economics and a native of Fort Madison. On the FOMC he has been the most vocal critic for higher interest rates, worried about creating a farm boom/bust like the 1980s, a real thorn in Bernanke's side. He has been in the news a lot over the last year or two. As your link says, he just reached mandatory retirement age. We may have met and shook hands very briefly in Heady Hall 25 years ago, but I think that was probably someone else. I know someone who went to work for the Kansas City Fed upon graduation, also with an ISU PhD.
There are also strong economic research ties between ISU and the University of Missouri. Earl Heady developed the most extensive econometric models of U.S. and world agriculture, which are fired up any time there is a major policy proposal (e.g., a new farm bill, new world trade agreement). Major $$$. Research divisions and economists at ISU and Missouri have long worked closely together on these kinds of analyses.
I'm sure these research ties would continue regardless.
Hoeing is well qualified though to be president at Missouri, and from what little I know is a good friend of ISU.
Not so fast on him being the new president @ Mizzou.
Just saw this cross the news wire:
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(I don't feel sorry for Mizzou here - he will do good for the country in the FDIC post)
Maybe that explains why it's taking them longer than expected to announce their new President...they got turned down by sole candidate.
What the .... Are you still doing here. You have no value to us. This post is about Texas a&m leaving the big 12. Go on your road trip to Georgia - it's a quick drive. (if your unconscious).
Yes it DID get colder in Lincoln since the 90's...relative to the competition that is. The point of the post you are referring to was pretty clear though you don't seem to recognize it. Nebraska fell off because it's competition starting in the new Big 12 all come from warmer and more desired climates. Obviously, that is not the only reason, climate, but it made a significant impact to be sure.
I truly believe that recruits from the three richest talent areas -- Florida, Texas, and So Cal do get out the Rand McNally before committing. I said there are many other factors (which Mizzou likewise does not stack up well against SEC competition) that recruits consider. But, whether it is because they don't want to live in cold weather or they want to stay close to home (probably both), your argument doesn't change the fact that Mizzou is going to find it tough sledding as the Northernmost member in a Southern based conference based upon the "lattitudinal" factor alone.
This tidbit seems interesting
Big 12 ready to respond to Missouri's possible departure | Big 12 | Sports News and Videos on...
Multiple league sources have expressed concern about being able to fill Missouri’s dates on 2012 football schedules if the conference is forced to operate as a nine-member league in 2012-13. There has been speculation about possible legal action by any school or schools that would lose the revenues from a home football game if Missouri’s date on that team’s 2012 schedule could not be filled because of such a late departure.
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Who is MU scheduled to play at for 2012?
-ISU
-Okla St
-Texas
-Texas Tech
-Kansas
Big 12 ready to respond to Missouri's possible departure | Big 12 | Sports News and Videos on...
Multiple league sources have expressed concern about being able to fill Missouri’s dates on 2012 football schedules if the conference is forced to operate as a nine-member league in 2012-13. There has been speculation about possible legal action by any school or schools that would lose the revenues from a home football game if Missouri’s date on that team’s 2012 schedule could not be filled because of such a late departure.
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Who is MU scheduled to play at for 2012?
-ISU
-Okla St
-Texas
-Texas Tech
-Kansas
Scheduling is complicated, not only among the Big 12 schools, but also the SEC schools who also have sceduled a full complement of games for all their teams next year. Just like the Huskers, Missouri will likely be making a Misery Tour around the Big 12 next year, and the longer this goes the more likely that result becomes.
And they'll be doing it for free, too. Since they won't be getting paid for it.
According to a tweet from Gabe DeArmond earlier today, Chancellor Deaton anticipates that any move would be for the 2012 season (same as TAMU, which makes sense b/c of the 13-team scheduling problem).
So this IS the farewell tour. ISU had its shot at Mizzou last week.
Like I've said earlier, I don't understand how Missouri can: 1) follow the letter of the Big 12 bylaws regarding withdrawal; 2) meet every applicable deadline for notifying the conference; and 3) pay whatever buyout fee is negotiated, and THEN get sued by teams because they don't have enough time to find replacements.
The problem is with the bylaws, not with Missouri. Plead with Texas to change the rules.
Then just plug in some FCS team. Of course, if you lose and miss out on a bowl game, I'm sure you'll want to sue us for that, too. :smile:
Sure, whatever. I'm to the point where I don't give a crap where what they do, just make a freaking decision. Do you want to stay, or not.
I can't help but laugh every time I think of Mizzou in a division with Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, etc. You will NEVER win that division. EVER. Plus what true SEC talent wants to go to Missouri where it snows??? Do you really want this???
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What we would be suing for is for you to pay EVERY SINGLE PENNY of the buyout and not give you any wiggle room to negotiate. We would prove that you leaving is a different situation than NU or CU so you won't have any argument for a reduced exit fee. In other words - expect to pay $30-40 million if you want to go.
So every team in the SEC will be ready to instantly pay off a team on their schedule in order to accommodate Missouri's need to go RIGHT NOW? And all THOSE schools will easily be able to fill the new slot in their schedule on such short notice of five or six months? There's not a lot of TCU's out there, ready to transfer from one conference to another with pre-severed ties, and open schedules you know.
What's the hurry anyway? It's taking months for y'all to make up your mind to even go at all, and that's just one school. Now you think dozens of schools ought to accommodate your whims at the snap of your fingers?
Right now they are sitting at 90% of 2-years worth of revenue distributions if they leave this summer, which they will have to pay anything back above what the conference is able to withhold.
2-year notice = forfeit of 50% of 2-year revenue (or number of years until withdraw if greater than 2 years)
<2-years but >18-months = forfeit of 70% of 2-year revenue equivalent
<18-months but >12-months = forfeit of 80% of 2-year revenue equivalent
<12-months but >6-months = forfeit of 90% of 2-year revenue equivalent
<6-months notice = forfeit of 100% of 2-year revenue equivalent
Why the **** do you hang out on this board. Please go the **** back to Tiger**** where you belong - *** ****.
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HAr Har Har HAr Har !!!!!!!! If you can't pay the dime, you'll do the time. I would highly doubt that MU doesn't play ISU in conference next year. If they don't, they will suffer a large financial burden.
I think once the SEC took TAMU, every team understood that there would need to be scheduling accomodations - it's not really like Missouri by itself is messing that up. In fact, its the SEC that is driving the timeline - you just can't design a 2-division, 13-team schedule that meets every conference member's needs.
This is not a "we can't make up our mind thing." This is a bureaucratic process thing. And I don't think the SEC is in the dark about it. Quite the opposite...they know our intentions, and what we plan to do.
And I'm not naive...if they COULD develop a 13-team schedule, then we probably don't get an invite right now. The SEC isn't saying, "We HAVE to have Missouri." This is the SEC saying, "We want TAMU, and we need another nearby team that opens up new markets, can be competitive, and is available as quickly and with as few complications as possible...and WANTS to be here."
Fortunately, that's us. I have to shake my head at folks who say, "Missouri will always have options with their TV market." No we won't. Not like this.
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