*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[cyman05]

If Mizzou really is gone, the Big 12 is done. That puts the SEC at 16 teams (A&M, Mizzou, Clemson, FSU).

I see the Big Ten wanting to keep pace, they'll make another run at Notre Dame and this time might get them. I could also see them making an ACC raid on perhaps Duke, North Carolina and either Maryland or Georgia Tech. Pac-12 makes a power play for OU, OSU, Texas and Texas Tech. Big East responds by grabbing KU, KSU and Iowa State to at least get to 12, maybe grab several more schools from the ACC to get to 16 (or the ACC raids the Big East/Big 12 to get to 16).

The only school I think might truly be left out in this whole shakeup would be Baylor.

No, if you had 4 conferences instead of 5, more than 1 school would be left out.

Current numbers are Pac12, Big12-2, Big 10+2, SEC12, BigEast9 (w/ TCU), ACC12 = 67+ND=68...and that's without BYU, Boise, and other decent schools like UCF, Houston, Nevada, US service academies...one could argue if those last schools are decent, but you'd have to bet ISU is in the same ballpark as those schools.

 

[clonedude]

Not at all sir. Been around this block before. But as a journalist, you can only report what you are being told. Gabe is doing some solid reporting today. He has a Big 12 AD on the record. How often do you see that during realignment on the Internet? Not very. You don't have to believe the report. I'm just letting folks know what is out there.

I'm not trying to knock you at all, I'm just saying that no AD right now is going to say a word about anything they know.

It just seems that some people take a quote from an AD and take it as being true, when it's most likely he/she is blowing smoke.

Obviously you can only report what you can report, but to believe anything that is coming out of an AD's mouth is just stupid at this point.

JP might already be making a deal for ISU to go to the Big East right now as we speak behind the scenes. But if a writer cornered him and asked him what he knew, do you think JP would come out and say.. "yeah, I've been talking to the Big East all morning."? Heck no, JP would say... "we're 100% committed to the Big 12."

So it really doesn't matter what any writer's so called "inside info" is at this point. It's all meaningless. In fact, it's probably more likely than not that the AD is lying through his/her own teeth.

 

[CarrollCyclone]

Orangebloods.com - Missouri denying that it has talked to the SEC

Missouri denying that it has talked to the SEC
by Chip Brown, Orangebloods.com

Doug Gottlieb of ESPN is now reporting that Missouri could be bolting for the SEC.

Just got off the phone with an administrator at a Big 12 school who says Missouri has denied to other members of the Big 12 that it has talked to the SEC.

PowerMizzou.com is also reporting that Mizzou AD Mike Alden said the Tigers have had zero discussions with the SEC.

So if Missouri is indeed thinking of bolting for the SEC, they are denying it right now to their league partners.

That same Big 12 official told me that Oklahoma continues to tell the rest of the Big 12 that it is not interested in joining the SEC. The SEC definitely reached out to OU during its courtship of Texas A&M. The source said Bob Stoops has indicated to OU officials that the best path to win championships is in the Big 12, not the SEC.

That official also told me that there is a 3 pm conference call between Dan Beebe and the Big 12 athletic directors to discuss Texas A&M's imminent departure for the SEC and to start a discussion about what the Big 12 should do next.

Two officials at Big 12 schools told me the conference would be solid with nine teams and that they didn't want to expand just for the sake of expansion.

There's been a lot of talk about Houston possibly being a candidate to join the Big 12, but the two administrators in the Big 12 I spoke with today said Houston is not high on many of the current schools' lists.

The SEC presidents are huddling at 10 am this morning to discuss expansion, according to multiple sources.

Chip says that Missouri officials are denying that they have talked to the SEC. Dan Beebe will hold a conference call with Big 12 ADs at 3:00 p.m. to discuss the A&M situation and what the Big 12 wants to do moving forward. SEC presidents are meeting right now (as of 10 a.m.) to discuss expansion.

 

[clonedude]

If Missouri is leaving, than Mike Alden is one hell of an actor. If leaving, why talk at all?

Ummm... because you've been burned before? It makes sense for Missouri to come out and say they're 100% committed to staying in the Big 12 when they've been burned before. Missouri will now forever be 100% committed to the Big 12 up until the moment they aren't. And they will love to make the fact known.

 

[Al_4_State]

Ummm... because you've been burned before? It makes sense for Missouri to come out and say they're 100% committed to staying in the Big 12 when they've been burned before. Missouri will now forever be 100% committed to the Big 12 up until the moment they aren't. And they will love to make the fact known.

It makes more sense for Alden to say nothing at all.

 

[ChrisMWilliams]

It makes more sense for Alden to say nothing at all.

That's exactly my point. We haven't heard as much as a peep from Texas A&M's AD. Tom Osborne didn't say much either until it was a done deal.

 

[clonedude]

Orangebloods.com - Missouri denying that it has talked to the SEC



Chip says that Missouri officials are denying that they have talked to the SEC. Dan Beebe will hold a conference call with Big 12 ADs at 3:00 p.m. to discuss the A&M situation and what the Big 12 wants to do moving forward. SEC presidents are meeting right now (as of 10 a.m.) to discuss expansion.

Who says that Alden needs to tell Beebe anything at the meeting today about their true intentions? I'm sure Alden will tell Beebe that Missouri isn't going anywhere. Alden won't tell Beebe that they're going anywhere, until they have something in writing and signed. It doesn't make any sense whatsover for Missouri to tell ANYONE their true intentions. None. So why do it?

 

[acgclone]

I'm just not buying this latest report. It's starting to look like all this info came from A&M, which means its not credible in the least. Those guys seem to be loose cannons and not to be trusted

 

[Al_4_State]

Who says that Alden needs to tell Beebe anything at the meeting today about their true intentions? I'm sure Alden will tell Beebe that Missouri isn't going anywhere. Alden won't tell Beebe that they're going anywhere, until they have something in writing and signed. It doesn't make any sense whatsover for Missouri to tell ANYONE their true intentions. None. So why do it?

Look how Tom Osborne, Bill Byrne, and CU's AD acted before they all left.

Look at how Alden is acting.

One of these things is not like the others.

 

[clonedude]

It makes more sense for Alden to say nothing at all.

Why not? Alden and Missouri received a lot of crap for dissing the Big 12 earlier. Now there are these rumors flying all over the place that Missouri is looking to leave again, which kinda paints them in a bad light again, especially in the eyes of the Big 12 members.

So he makes a statement to squash the rumor mill a bit to say they are perfectly happy where they are at. Which isn't really a lie. They are perfectly happy right now, until a better offer comes their way, which probably hasn't materialized completely yet.

 

[cyman05]

Who says that Alden needs to tell Beebe anything at the meeting today about their true intentions? I'm sure Alden will tell Beebe that Missouri isn't going anywhere. Alden won't tell Beebe that they're going anywhere, until they have something in writing and signed. It doesn't make any sense whatsover for Missouri to tell ANYONE their true intentions. None. So why do it?

You don't think that'd open Mizzou up to a lawsuit if they lied on record that they hadn't talked to the SEC? Then they showed up at the conference call at 3 today to gain knowledge of the Big 12 plans?

Chris is right, why not take the 5th like Nebraska or A&M rather than open yourself up to litigation? Opening your mouth to lie would be foolish

 

[ChrisMWilliams]

Alden says MU has had no contact with SEC - Sports | The Columbia Daily Tribune - Columbia, Missouri

 

[MJN]

If A&M and Missouri leaves and the Big 12 dissolves that is good for us since the Big East now only has three spots left for expansion because of the TCU acquisition. If Mizzou doesn't leave then we may get left behind (KU,KSTATE,MIZZOU) make sense to move together.

 

[ChrisMWilliams]

Quote from Alden....Why take a shot at the AD who you are "leaving with" if you actually intend on leaving?

“As recently as a couple months ago, we had 10 CEOs — we’re just ADs, these were CEOs — all looking at each other and saying we’re committed and we’re locked together,” Alden said. “There’s certainly an expectation when people do that that you want them to stay the course.”

 

[Wesley]

Let's just black mail Iowa to get into the Big 10. Get pictures of Sally Mason getting plowed and presto! We're in. They owe us anyway considering we just picked up the slack on their non-accredited crap journalism department.

Iowa sucks balls.

Get Branstad to step in and get us a spot?

 

[acgclone]

If A&M and Missouri leaves and the Big 12 dissolves that is good for us since the Big East now only has three spots left for expansion because of the TCU acquisition. If Mizzou doesn't leave then we may get left behind (KU,KSTATE,MIZZOU) make sense to move together.

In that scenario, the Big East will have more than 3 spots available. The Big East will lose at least two teams to the ACC (possibly more if the Big 10 starts expanding again).

The worrisome part, would be if the ACC is raided too heavily, then the ACC/Big East would merge. In that situation, we could be left out.

 

[Wesley]

Orangebloods.com - Missouri denying that it has talked to the SEC



Chip says that Missouri officials are denying that they have talked to the SEC. Dan Beebe will hold a conference call with Big 12 ADs at 3:00 p.m. to discuss the A&M situation and what the Big 12 wants to do moving forward. SEC presidents are meeting right now (as of 10 a.m.) to discuss expansion.

He doth moves slow.....

 

[clonedude]

Alden says MU has had no contact with SEC - Sports | The Columbia Daily Tribune - Columbia, Missouri

So, Alden didn't release a statement. He was basically cornered at Missouri's scrimmage today. He didn't really have a choice whether to talk or not. Saying nothing would not have been an option.

I don't know if Missouri has been contacted or not? None of us do. We can only take what he says at face value. It doesn't have to be true.

The best scenario for ISU right now is for the Big 12 to remain a 9 team league forever IMO. 2nd best is for Missouri to indeed go to the SEC, because then we can join the Big East with KU and KSU.

 

[twojman]

The Big 12 needs to poach Pitt, BYU and either Notre Dame (SMALL CHANCE)Louisville or Cincy.

 

[Wesley]

If A&M and Missouri leaves and the Big 12 dissolves that is good for us since the Big East now only has three spots left for expansion because of the TCU acquisition. If Mizzou doesn't leave then we may get left behind (KU,KSTATE,MIZZOU) make sense to move together.

Being your first post, remember that Big East money is only one third of what the Big 12 offered. We would have to cut outr athletic smaller programs and have less money to pay CPR and CFH. Recruiting for fball would probably drop. Kiss wrestling goodbye womens vball would slip. I mean, future options are not as good as what we had if you analyze it. We need Beebe to add new members. He needs to get his butt in gear.