We struggle against everyone. I still don't see how we would beat a Minnesota team that is a ground a pound team. Teams that run the ball well have been the worst matchup for us this year.
The Jerry Kill Comparison
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Losing to Illinois really exposes Minn.
-They had one shot to play a real team (until next week) and they could barely get a first down until the backups came off the bench in garbage time.
-They beat 3 bad non-conf teams in unimpressive fashion.
-They played Purdue to a one point victory.
-They beat NW by 7.
If Ohio State pastes Minn @Minn tomorrow I don't want to hear about them the rest of the year because they really haven't done anything to show they're above average. We're having a horrible year but we get at least 5, possibly 6 or 7 wins with that schedule.
Smh, I just can't believe the number of people that think easier schedule must equate to 4-5 more wins. You probably think Kansas goes to a bowl game as long as they play a BIG schedule, even Vandy as well.
Coaching at Minnesota is hard and similar in some ways to ISU but you can't make the direct comparison as many have noted here. I do think recruiting to here isn't much easier than recruiting to ISU. Even with a major university in a major conference in a great metro area, the local talent goes elsewhere. Major drawback is backing in city with a bunch of professional teams (even though they suck) chewing into the market. It's Vikings Vikings Vikings and Wild Wild Wild all fall and winter here. Gopher hockey and basketball can make dents in that but not Gopher football.
Basically the Gophers went back and hired another Glen Mason to try and fix their failed Punky Brewster experiment. Mas (as they call him on talk radio here) was 64-57 here and was fired after losing a bowl game 44-41 to Leach's Tech team, not exactly a horrible *** kicking. Kill is doing what he was hired to do and has done it at two other schools and the advantage he has for the Gophers is that the Gophers are his pedestal, not his stepping stone, his previous schools were his stepping stones. Whether he can do better than Mason in the long run remains to be scene but at least he has a nice new campus stadium and they are out of that ******* Dome and not having to act like Vikings Light or something. In any event it looks better than a year ago when he was battling seizures and it looked like his era was going to end before he had a chance to build much.
And, I got anyone's back who crushes Iowa. :smile:
Basically the Gophers went back and hired another Glen Mason to try and fix their failed Punky Brewster experiment. Mas (as they call him on talk radio here) was 64-57 here and was fired after losing a bowl game 44-41 to Leach's Tech team, not exactly a horrible *** kicking. Kill is doing what he was hired to do and has done it at two other schools and the advantage he has for the Gophers is that the Gophers are his pedestal, not his stepping stone, his previous schools were his stepping stones. Whether he can do better than Mason in the long run remains to be scene but at least he has a nice new campus stadium and they are out of that ******* Dome and not having to act like Vikings Light or something. In any event it looks better than a year ago when he was battling seizures and it looked like his era was going to end before he had a chance to build much.
And, I got anyone's back who crushes Iowa. :smile:
Did you watch KSU lose to Illinois?
I get that you're pessimistic about football (as am I), but just because we stink doesn't mean that you have to slob Minnesota's knob this much.
Man alive. It doesnt make you less of a cyclone fan to admit that Minn is tracking much better than ISU. 100% agree about the Wisc and Iowa poaching MN recruits. Made me so mad for many years. Elite guys don't stay (ala Larry Fitz, lineman dude that flamed out in Miami)
Listen. ISU needs to do exactly what Minn did, feast on cupcakes to give the illusion of progress until recruiting and the coaches system can be caught-up. Not get clobbered by great teams and cry 'Schedule of Strength'. Minn is decent, not great. No argument from me. That's all I can expect form Minn, they'll get 8-10 wins in the lightning in a bottle seasons and minimum 4-5 wins.
Even if Kill's system is feast on cupcakes till we can get B1G players, so be it. It's working. He atleast gives the illusion he has a clue. And again, all this with the Twin Cities sports columnists ripping Kill in the early years. Rhoads would have been laughed outta MN I think.
-Have a system. Execute it. No excuses and coaches talk. Kill is a straight talker, it's refreshing.
-Yes you will get clobbered by Ohio State, but I can live with that.
-Don't be something you're not. MN ain't Ohio State/Michigan/Nebr
-ISU ain't oklahoma/Texas. Don't try to be like them
Listen. ISU needs to do exactly what Minn did, feast on cupcakes to give the illusion of progress until recruiting and the coaches system can be caught-up. Not get clobbered by great teams and cry 'Schedule of Strength'. Minn is decent, not great. No argument from me. That's all I can expect form Minn, they'll get 8-10 wins in the lightning in a bottle seasons and minimum 4-5 wins.
Even if Kill's system is feast on cupcakes till we can get B1G players, so be it. It's working. He atleast gives the illusion he has a clue. And again, all this with the Twin Cities sports columnists ripping Kill in the early years. Rhoads would have been laughed outta MN I think.
-Have a system. Execute it. No excuses and coaches talk. Kill is a straight talker, it's refreshing.
-Yes you will get clobbered by Ohio State, but I can live with that.
-Don't be something you're not. MN ain't Ohio State/Michigan/Nebr
-ISU ain't oklahoma/Texas. Don't try to be like them
Some of us don't base the results of an entire season on one game.
No doubt we haven't played well over the last 2 games but we've shown the potential to play with decent teams (Iowa, K-State).
We have played just awful against
1. NDSU
2. Baylor
3. Oklahoma State
4. Oklahoma
5. Kansas
Also, we weren't exactly flawless against the rest. As bad as the defense played against Texas and Toledo, that would probably lose us games to a lot of bad teams.
Am I missing something here? That doesn't seem to be basing things on 1 game to me.
Good stuff. As an ISU fan, that's all I ask. Compete and don't be the laughingstock. What does compete mean? It means not losing to FBS in year 5 of a coaching regime. It means being competitive with the bottom half of the conference. That's not asking that much and that can be done in our current $20 million football facility and with our current revenue stream (just had to throw that in there because I know who's going to fly over and crap on my post).
Agree. Just because you play great teams and lose doesn't mean you would win against bad teams. According to Sagarin rankings, we would go 2-6 in conference with Minnesota's schedule playing on a neutral field.
That said, I think there is a compounding effect playing a schedule like ours. Wins help in so many ways. Once the losses start to build up, the snowball can really start rolling down hill and then you get what we saw last weekend. So, while we are pretty bad right now, I believe it would be different if we had a few more weak teams mixed in.
Really, I think the OP's real point was to show a difference between having an identity and a plan (Kill) between just reacting all the time and switching/clouding identities. And that, I have to agree with.
The real point in all of this schedule difficulty talk is that it isn't going away. We will play a tough schedule for at least the foreseeable future.
If we played like we did against KSU and Texas we'd beat every team on Minn's schedule so far except for TCU.
SMH that you can't see how there are several bad Big Ten teams going to bowls because there are only 4 good teams out of 14 in that conference and they get an extra non conf game to boot.
I'm not sure '4-5' more wins because that would put us at a 7-8 win season. 2-3 more wins? It's very very very likely.
4-5 more wins = 6-7 since we only have 2 and likely to finish there. 2-3 more would still be no bowl game.
A rational football fan would ask…what has Minnesota done to be ranked?
They couldn't move the ball on TCU's first stringers, they lost to Illinois, they beat exclusively bad teams.
That's not a top 25 team unless they should prove themselves better by beating Ohio State next week. Computers agree with me ranking them in the 40s…a computer ranking ISU had pretty consistently until the past few years. We've already been where Minnesota is, the difference is we play real major conference football and we could not maintain it.
I don't get why we can't do this without being complete idiots about Minnesota.
They lost to Illinois, they beat Purdue by 1, they got pounded by the one good team they played and beat some other exclusively bad teams. That's nothing to aspire toward, in fact it's impossible to aspire toward because no Big 12 team will ever play that cakewalk schedule. Aspiring toward being Minnesota is as irrational a goal as winning our division in the ACC.
We're going to end up with 2 or 3 wins. If you can't see that subbing out a handful of good opponents for a handful of crap opponents could translate to a 4 to 6 wins instead we'll just agree to disagree.
Minnesota can change my mind tomorrow. So far I haven't seen them do anything that Danny Mac and CPR teams have done many times, to be honest they've done less than lots of those teams because CPR has actually beat some ranked teams.
Minnesota Killed Iowa. ISU captured 2 single digit victories. Regardless of Minnesota's schedule they'll go 8-4ish. ISU would be fortunate to win 6 games with their schedule.
I agree that's reasonable, I'm saying if our horrible team could possibly get 6 wins against that cakewalk, our average and good teams have been at that level many, many years. It's not "why can't we have a year like Minn" because we already have many times, our problem is staying there. Our 5-7 win seasons are very comparable to the 8-ish win season they're going to have in the JV division.
Because most of the people on here ARE complete idiots... Jerry Kill has never beaten a ranked team (he was not coaching last year when they beat Nebraska...), career at Minnesota 0-5 vs ranked teams none of which were in the top 10... I think I will wet my pants. Congrats for slaying bums in the the new Big XII North.
And if someone must credit him with last season in some desperate attempt to elevate Jerry even though we all know the Gophers were actually being coached by assistants... he is 1-9, "beating" the #25 Cornhuskers.