The Avengers
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I don't really think it's Nolan's fault, but the movie just seems more obligatory than something he had a great idea for. I'm sure he came up with something great, but it's been pretty clear since Ledger's death that he had to scrap his original idea and come up with something to tie up his loose ends.
The Dark Knight Rises will top it.
Book it.
Previously in this thread, you've also made the following prediction as well....
straight up shattering the box office record for opening weekend, second night, third night, fastest movie to $200 million, and $500 Million is an odd way to "struggle."
DKR is going to do well, but without Ledger's Oscar-worthy performance-and-death to inflate the box office, there is no way that it even begins to come close to touching this opening weekend.
Dark Knight's astounding opening was fueled by the success of Batman Begins, combined with Ledger getting oscar talk before anyone even saw the movie, combined with Ledger's death, and was all wrapped in a nice little bow of being about the most iconic super villain ever being the focus of the movie.
While DKR will be good, of course, it doesn't have a named actor like Heath Ledger, or an actor's death being blamed on the part he played. Its lead villain, and the villain all the advertising is focusing on, is someone most people remember as a joke from BM&R, if they remember him at all. The big actors are the kid from Third Rock from the Sun and the girl from Princess Diaries. It will make its money, no doubt, but it wont touch Avengers.
While I don't think it's fair to write off Gordon-Levitt or Hathaway like that at this point in their careers, I do think you're right that DKR lacks the "hook" that Dark Knight had. It will do big business because it's the end of this trilogy, but does anyone really think we won't get another Batman movie within five years? It's the only DC superhero property that's proven it can compete with the self-sustaining Marvel Studios machine.
Avengers has proven that Marvel will be able to keep spinning off and teaming up it's character into 1 or 2 sure-fire money makers every summer for a long time. Even if they start running out of bigger name characters, you can hide some smaller guys in the next Avengers sequel and then spin them off into their own film. Case in point: how many people would now be interested in a Black Widow/Hawkeye spy thriller after watching the Avengers.
I whole heartedly agree, to be honest. And even if they WERE just Princess Bride and Third Rock, if we look back, Ledger was panned when he was selected to play Joker. The perception of him was as a square-jawed romantic-comedy type. No one saw Joker coming out of 10 Things I Hate About You, except Nolan. It was Nolan's casting of Hathaway, ironically, that made me start to consider her well-and-truly done with her younger career.
My whole point was not that the actors are bad, but the perception of them as not being Heath Ledger. By this time leading up to TDK, Ledger was a legend due to his performance in TDK. No one had seen it, but we were already crowning him better than Nicholson and Romero combined. Tom Hardy as Bane doesn't have the mythic build that Ledger as Joker did, despite the fact that I honestly think Hardy will play a better Bane than Ledger played a Joker.
And we can't ignore the fact that half of the viewing public see JGL, a skinny guy hanging out around Batman, with dark hair and whatever, and the word Robin gets tossed out after the words "crap, are they really doing...."
I definitely would. I wondered if they were setting up a prequel for them with some of their lines about their history together.
This is what I thought as well. All of that stuff Loki was saying about her past was interesting too. The 'red on my ledger' stuff was pretty much unresolved. There has to be a movie in the works.
Also, I demand an Agent Coulson comedy prequel about all the hijinks at SHIELD headquarters. That couldn't have been done as a short before one of these movies?
I saw it in IMAX 3D which I thought was worth it. Don't know about the regular 3D.
3D is not worth it.
Just a post production money grab.
That is one thing Nolan gets right...doesn't waste time with 3D.
I love the Avengers and cannot wait for TTDR.
Any time the 3D is done in post production it seems pretty pointless, imo.
I saw it in 3D but only because it fit the time I was able to go. The 3D was nothing special and I wouldn't recommend spending the extra $.
Just saw it tonight, and I'll preface this by saying I am not a comic book super hero guy (didn't see either Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor, etc).
I took my son with some apprehension due to the length of the movie, but I thought it was outstanding. Virtually perfect for a super hero type movie. I definitely recommend it to anyone who might be on the fence, especially with kids.
I took my son with some apprehension due to the length of the movie, but I thought it was outstanding. Virtually perfect for a super hero type movie. I definitely recommend it to anyone who might be on the fence, especially with kids.
My eldest is almost 5 and he wants to see it. He loves Super Hero Squad and all of the cartoon super hero shows. However I have a feeling the Chitauri would freak him out. Maybe after we buy it on blue-ray.
I too thought the movie was perferct.
Action, humor, and depth. They even succeeded in making the Black Widow relevant with a few great scenes for ScarJo. Jeremy Renner was pretty bad-*** as Hawkeye too in my opinion.
Downey was in rare form as Iron Man. He was really made to play that character. It's amazing how much his career path and perception has changed since Iron Man.
Action, humor, and depth. They even succeeded in making the Black Widow relevant with a few great scenes for ScarJo. Jeremy Renner was pretty bad-*** as Hawkeye too in my opinion.
Downey was in rare form as Iron Man. He was really made to play that character. It's amazing how much his career path and perception has changed since Iron Man.
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