Steele Jantz

They also have the #2 ranked offense. OU has the #3 ranked offense. It's a team game, we'll also have to have great defensive play.

Wasn't trying to imply that win or lose it is all on JB's shoulders or fault. Just trying to point out that Jantz might have been just as succesfull as JB due to the match ups. I hope JB continues his streak.

Also I was pretty surprised by the defensive ratings of OSU being so bad. Some posters here have dogged ISU's defense and we are a surprising 5th in the B12.
 
These are both spot on. People keep talking about how Steele is going to improve so much with a year of this offense under his belt. Can Barnett not improve? Will Barnett not have another year of this offense under his belt also?
Are you really asking, or are you just that...obtuse?

Take two identical buckets. One has had water poured into it for ten minutes, when the other bucket is placed beneath a second spigot. If the first bucket is 3/4 full when the second has only a trickle on the bottom, which will have more water in it after twenty minutes?

Barnett is further along the learning curve of the offense than Jantz. His learning now is more of refinement rather than basic learning and absorbtion. Once Jantz reaches the same place, and both are working at refining their skills, then it will be a competition--and I know which quarterback has a higher ceiling.
 
These are both spot on. People keep talking about how Steele is going to improve so much with a year of this offense under his belt. Can Barnett not improve? Will Barnett not have another year of this offense under his belt also?

Barnetts problem isn't not knowing the offense. But yes, he could start taking steroids and maybe get close to that talent level Jantz is.
 
Tech and KU are probably the two weakest teams in the Big 12 so I believe JB will have to continue to improve for ISU to have any chance of winning their 6th game.
 
Are you really asking, or are you just that...obtuse?

Take two identical buckets. One has had water poured into it for ten minutes, when the other bucket is placed beneath a second spigot. If the first bucket is 3/4 full when the second has only a trickle on the bottom, which will have more water in it after twenty minutes?

Barnett is further along the learning curve of the offense than Jantz. His learning now is more of refinement rather than basic learning and absorbtion. Once Jantz reaches the same place, and both are working at refining their skills, then it will be a competition--and I know which quarterback has a higher ceiling.

Oh i gotca. So QB complete understand the system after one and a half years in the system and after that all they do is refine their skills.
 
My apologies. Obviously you are that obtuse.

Hey Im sorry, Im not trying to hurt your feelings, i understand you have a crush on SJ, all i am saying is that JB will also improve and i would not rule him out for next year.

If SJ does start, GREAT. I understand he has the potential to be a hell of a QB and I hope to hell he does improve and start next year.
 
If Steele is healthy and ISU is within 14 half way through the 4th quarter I would look for CPR to call his number in the last 3 games. Yes the guys is a turnover machine, but he has also shown that, at times, he can really move the team and score late in games.

SJ really needs to spend a lot more time in the security drills. Still not sure if some of the TOs were not caused by a receiver running the wrong route. I know some have been from receivers stoning away catchable passes.
 
which QB has more of an upside? im confused as well. Imo, its barnett because hes only a freshman. How much better will steele get in the next 9 months vs 3 years for barnett.
 
JB did play against the worst defensive teams in the B12. If healthy I think Jantz would had been just as succesfull against TTU and KU as JB.

IDK. Steele Jantz had a propensity for turning the ball over. There is a real possibility that Steele could have done the same. TTU could have gotten some breaks and confidence and the defense could have gotten exhausted by being on the field a lot. Same thing with the game against KU.

I liked some of the things that Jantz did and credit him for leading us to a 3-0 start. But the guy was also guilty of turning the ball over a lot. The TO's are killers. We do not have that margin for error. And the 3 and outs were killing us as well. JB has done pretty well. Give him some credit. I agree that Jantz probably has greater athletic gifts. But IMO Barnett plays a lot smarter.
 
I thought that Jantz injured his foot and that hurt his performance. Is there any news on how it is? If he is 100% does he get another chance?

Why do people keep using this line of logic???

His propensity for turning the ball over was evident prior to the foot/ankle injury before halftime at UCONN. Against A&M he clearly had happy feet in the pocket...look at the first pass interception, his feet were pitter-pattering because of perceived pressure.

Steele has terrible throwing mechanics. For those that fell in love with him because of the early comebacks, they're ignoring the facts and claiming he has more upside. Like I said before, he could have easily been 0-7 vs 3-4...
 
Both QBs have the opportunity to improve before next season starts. Both QBs have areas to improve upon.

Jantz's areas for improvment are more obvious.
1. Turnovers - They are not all a product of injury, but some are. He will have to work to improve his decision making and accuracy to cut down on picks and also work on ball security when running with the ball.
2. Consistency - I think Jantz is by far the more talented passer, but without consistency, it's hard to win games. Another year as a D1 QB will help him with this.
3. Reads - More time in the system and as a QB period will help with passing game reads. Another thing that I have noticed is Jantz's issues with the zone read. He needs to work on making the right read more often. In his last few games, he didn't keep it hardly at all, mostly because I don't think he was healthy. But he also made some bad reads in the first few games. There were times, if he had kept it, that he would have had big gains, instead of handing it off for a couple yards. Most of the times when Jantz showed of his running, it was on roll outs or scrambling on broken plays. The zone read is a big deal in our offense. Barnett doesn't run it perfectly yet, but he runs it better than SJ.


Barnett has won 2 straight, but not against really good teams. A lot of people will fall out of love with him if we lose 2 straight. So far he has shown good poise for a rFR but there is still a lot of work to do.
1. Biggest issue is that he doesn't have a lot of zip on his passes and does not throw a great deep ball. Case in point was during the TTU game. Lenz was WIDE open on one of his big catches. JB floated the ball a bit and Lenz had to slow down to get the ball. Instead of catching a bullet and walking into the end zone, he caught a floater and was pushed out short of the EZ. We ended up getting a TD, but it was a glaring example of JB not having enough on his passes.
Arm strength is VERY hard to improve. Sometimes you either have it (Jantz does, but inconsistently) or you don't. I believe they were working on this a ton with James Capello. They worked on his throwing motion and were trying to get his legs into his passes to get him some more oomph. They will probably try and work on this a lot with JB before next year. A big problem with JBs game, is that if we get behind, he may or may not have a strong enough arm to get us back in it with the deep passing game. Jantz showed that ability at times this season. The last two games JB has done a decent job managing the game, and not losing the game, but can he bring us back and win a game? We'll see.

2. Consistency - Every college QB usually has to work on consistency. If he doesn't improve his deep ball enough, then he will really need to be efficient in the short passing game. ~50% completions isn't going to win a lot of games in the Big12.


Of course, both QBs have their strengths as well.
JB is protecting the ball better than SJ did. He is also much more consistent and running the football. He has done a good job so far with the short passing game as well.
SJ has been much more boom or bust. He has lead 3 big comebacks, but was a big reason that we were behind to begin with. He can throw a beautiful deep ball and has very good zip on his passes. In the Iowa game, I watched him throw a dart, between two closing defenders for a big first down. Seems like a simple play, but I don't think I have seen a QB make that kind of pass in a few years and it takes a really good arm to do it. SJ probably has better overall tools than JB, but is terribly inconsistent in how he uses them. Couple that with a loss of confidence after big losses, and a lingering injury, and you end up with JB taking the reigns. Another year in the system and as a QB should help decision making and consistency, which are SJs biggest weaknesses.


I don't know who will be the QB next fall. JB might just take the momentum from this season all the way through until next year. Or, SJ may work really hard on his weaknesses and put his exceptional tools to good use for his last year. We shall see. I think JB (if he doesn't get completely demolished the last three games) will have an edge in spring ball to start, but from there it will be anyones game. Heck, we don't even know what Sam Richardson (the tall one) has to offer yet either.

Either way, it will be good to have two QBs with starting experience, who both have strengths, going into next season.
 
Jantz is erratic. Always will be. He is who he is. Superman on a good day, Superdud on a bad day.

Barnett is consistent. You generally know what you will get from him. He may not make the WOW play, but he will get the job done.

The less WTF moments we have on the FB field, the better. JB, IMO, is the QB that will provide exponentially less WTF moments.
 
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JB
49/100 524 49% 1 TD, 2INT

SJ
123/228 1322 yards 54% 10TD,9 INT


Lets face it. Both those numbers are extremely horrible when you look and compare to the rest of college football.

The top half of QBs in the Big 12 are throwing for 300+ per game.
 
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JB
49/100 524 49% 1 TD, 2INT

SJ
123/228 1322 yards 54% 10TD,9 INT


Lets face it. Both those numbers are extremely horrible when you look and compare to the rest of college football.

Jantz has the arm and mobility to be great. All he needs is more practice and playing time. It just sucks he will already be a senior next year. He still has the potential to be greater next year than Barnett in his career, thats not to say Barnett can't be successful at all, he just doesn't have the talent to completely change a game like Jantz. Obviously Jantz has a lot of work to do to achieve this, but I have no doubt he can have a better grasp of the offense, show better mechanics, and play smarter next year.
 
We are going to need at least 2 QBs next year. We will probably need Jantz again this year in fact. There is no way a guy with Barnett's build gets away with running the ball 20 times a game for an entire Big 12 season. In fact, I've already seen him struggle off the field 2 or 3 times, and I think the hits he takes sometimes affects his throws. We're going to need more than 1 QB with the way our QBs are running the ball.
 

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