Speculation that Osama Bin Laden killed

Not quite what missionaries do. More like there living among them, respecting their language and culture, contributing something positive to their society, helping the local people.

And missionaries rarely venture to the areas our military are currently living. But good work not answering the question.
 
Do you honestly think that if you were just some plain old American Joe walking around Afghanistan offering hugs to the terrorists you wouldn't be shot at or killed on sight too. Actually they would hold you hostage and try to negotiate with the US before they decapitate you.

These people attacked us on our soil with 9/11 and we weren't pointing a gun at them then. These people hate us regardless if we have a gun or not.

I await your next ridiculous comment.

First of all, I never said I would go up and give them a hug. That's creepy.

Second, we didn't literally point a gun at them, but that doesn't mean they didn't have any reason to be angry at us. That was a pretty ignorant statement.
 
So animals in nature undermine each other with love. I'll remember that next time I see two bull elk fighting. I will watch and wait for one to offer the other a flower and a hug so he can go breed all the waiting cow elk.
:rolleyes:

Because animals are the same as humans... right...
 
And missionaries rarely venture to the areas our military are currently living. But good work not answering the question.

They do actually, you just don't hear about them. And I didn't answer your question because it wasn't worthy of a response.
 
This is something I have wrestled with for many years now. I don't have all of the answers. I think if we show them kindness over and over again, they will eventually be won over. They might think of us as pushovers at first, but I truly believe they would come around.
It's fine to be kind to people as long as they know it they try anything we will kill them.
 
First of all, I never said I would go up and give them a hug. That's creepy.

Second, we didn't literally point a gun at them, but that doesn't mean they didn't have any reason to be angry at us. That was a pretty ignorant statement.

So why were they angry enough with us to put two passenger jets into the World Trade Center towers, one into the Pentagon (which has been speculated to have not been the original target, but a target of convenience as they weren't going to hit the assumed target of the White House/Capitol), and one into a Pennsylvania field (that was destined to end up in the other Government building that the other plane was supposed to hit)?
 
First of all, I never said I would go up and give them a hug. That's creepy.

Second, we didn't literally point a gun at them, but that doesn't mean they didn't have any reason to be angry at us. That was a pretty ignorant statement.

I know we did not literally point a gun at them or give them hugs, it's called metaphorically speaking. I guess some of that is lost with you. We all know there were other reasons they were mad at us. But you are stating the only reason they are shooting at us is that we are shooting at them when that is not the case.

You are making the ignorant statements if you truly believe that terrorists can be won over with love and kindness.
 
I think you guys should back off of cyclonemaniac7. I once gave a butterfly to a serial rapist and he was so moved that he went and reported himself to the police once he realized the horrible things he had previously committed. You just have to believe and try hard enough.
 
My best friend is a sniper in Afghanistan being shot at every day by the terrorists I think he has pretty good insight too. I'll take military insight.


Uh, cart before the horse here. Your friend is being shot at everyday by 'terrorists' because he is INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY. Would you not do the same thing if the US were being invaded? Now that Bin Laden is dead, the troops can come home.
 
Uh, cart before the horse here. Your friend is being shot at everyday by 'terrorists' because he is INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY. Would you not do the same thing if the US were being invaded? Now that Bin Laden is dead, the troops can come home.

This post failed horribly.

Did you honestly compare the US to Afghanistan?

Did you really just say that the troops can come home after killing one single terrorist?

I support American troops home or abroad, but killing one terrorist doesn't win the game. This was a major step in CONTAINING the group. But, the bad thing with terror is that someone can always step in and fill their shoes. The game is never "won" but can be a stalemate. It does send a huge message though.
 
Uh, cart before the horse here. Your friend is being shot at everyday by 'terrorists' because he is INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY. Would you not do the same thing if the US were being invaded? Now that Bin Laden is dead, the troops can come home.

Right. Because our goal was only to get Osama.

And its not like there was much of a stable govt in place in Afghanistan to begin with.Its hard to really look at it as invading a country as much when there really is no firmly established government,

From what ive gathered, the taliban was the dominant group at the time, but its not like they were a democratically elected group, nor was there a lack of internal opposition. They won control of most of the country with substantial assistance both financial and in manpower from foreign countries, especially pakistan, and Al Qaeda was fighting alongside the Taliban for control of the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1996-2001)

That dominant power was working alongside with, and protecting OBL. There was no alternative but to take them out.
 
To assume you can use love and kindness to win peace is to assume your opponent is rational, moral and of a sane mind.

Are enemies are not rational, moral or of sane mind.
 
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is the Taliban fighting for? Are they mad at Americans because of the American's support of Isreal? On that note, why does the Taliban hate Isreal? Because they are Jews?
 
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is the Taliban fighting for? Are they mad at Americans because of the American's support of Isreal? On that note, why does the Taliban hate Isreal? Because they are Jews?

Pretty sure that it's because they're living on the Holy Land of the three major religions.
 
Uh, cart before the horse here. Your friend is being shot at everyday by 'terrorists' because he is INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY. Would you not do the same thing if the US were being invaded? Now that Bin Laden is dead, the troops can come home.


Try again.
 

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