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SMU beat UConn twice

BloodyBuddy said:
People think ISU plays bad defense, but I kind of disagree. Our offensive style is gonna be condusive to high scoring games no matter how good our defense is. Very few teams can do both high octane offense and defense. But when we need to we can clamp down, we can, Baylor game is a good example of that, we lose that game without a very good defensive effort. We can play defense against UConn, but we would rather out score a team. We tend to give up buckets when the other team is in the paint because we don't want to foul. UConn will have to be on to beat us. We will force you to make jumpers. We are good at limiting turnovers, so the other team will have to work to get their buckets.

I expect this game to go down to the last few minutes. Whoever plays well in crunch time will win.
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I said about the exact same thing in another thread. Without a serious shot blocking threat, we allow lightly contested layups versus risking foul trouble. Staten unfortunately really exploited that in Morgantown. IMO, allowing a basket where the defender is clearly beat makes more sense for this team from a game-flow perspective too.

Opponent free throws = game stoppages = our guys not going up and down the floor

The way we space, any offense we create before the defense gets set (even after a made basket) is more deadly than our half court sets....which are still pretty damn good.
 
OkaForPrez said:
The teams that have given UConn the most problems this year are defensive oriented teams that have beat us at our own game. They are teams that play slow but have size in the frontcourt. SMU x2, Stanford and Cinci fit that description.

The houston loss was kind of lightening in a bottle on new years eve. They came out unconscious and got up by 20 on us. We battled back but the time ran out on the clock before we could completely make up the difference.

Then there is Louisville who is 3 of our losses. A matchup nightmare for us with an athletic freak big in Montrezl Harrel and a zone press defense that really was built to take away our strength offensively.

The team that closest resembles ISU's high octane offense (please don't get offended I understand they aren't in the same class) is Memphis who we beat 3 times. If you aren't committed to defense and allow us to play our game, we can fill it up with you. We hung 86 and 83 on Memphis in our first two games and 72 in them in the AAC tourney because we were up 20 and took our foot off the gas for the last 10 min.

UConn prefers to limit possessions, play defense first and let bazz go to work on the other end against tough defenses. But we can play up too.
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We aren't Memphis
 
I know why bother but if this game had Niang this is a cruise control game for ISU IMO. Niang would be a nightmare for Uconn. But we don't so..I will stick to my 3 keys to the game:

1- Refs. it will be interesting to see how this game is called. If the refs let them play I like ISU.

2- Rebounding. Uconn has not exactly excelled in this area. It's not like we dominate however we are markedly better. Hogue, Ejim and Kane are great rebounders.

3- 3pt. shooting. If we hit 8 or more and the other 2 things favor us I like ISU.
 
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SerenityNow said:
Never get tired of the Ken Pom references, do ya?
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Without data to ground our comparisons, all we have is conflicting biased perspectives. If you don't want to consider the info, feel free to ignore it. Some reading here might find that interesting.
 
OkaForPrez said:
You have very similar defensive profiles on kenpom.
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Defensively, but your comparison was offense. They aren't ranked anywhere close to ISU offensively on Kenpom. If that's your best comparison then you haven't played anyone like ISU.
 
NorthCyd said:
Defensively, but your comparison was offense. They aren't ranked anywhere close to ISU offensively on Kenpom. If that's your best comparison then you haven't played anyone like ISU.
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Was I? Read it again. The OP asked what type of team has had success against uconn, my answer was that it was grind defenses, low possessions, big front courts.

I cited Memphis because they were defensively the lightest of the "big 5" in the AAC this year. Their success was due to masking their defensive inefficiencies by getting out in transition and out scoring their opponent.

I consider Iowa State a Warren Buffet's Memphis. Similar in style, but much much better offensively.

Edit: re-read my post, I wasn't clear enough earlier, my bad.
 
OkaForPrez said:
Was I? Read it again. The OP asked what type of team has had success against uconn, my answer was that it was grind defenses, low possessions, big front courts.

I cited Memphis because they were defensively the lightest of the "big 5" in the AAC this year. Their success was due to masking their defensive inefficiencies by getting out in transition and out scoring their opponent.
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I can't help but remember...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...hooting-turnovers-to-easy-win-over-notre-dame
 
OkaForPrez said:
Was I? Read it again. The OP asked what type of team has had success against uconn, my answer was that it was grind defenses, low possessions, big front courts.

I cited Memphis because they were defensively the lightest of the "big 5" in the AAC this year. Their success was due to masking their defensive inefficiencies by getting out in transition and out scoring their opponent.

I consider Iowa State a Warren Buffet's Memphis. Similar in style, but much much better offensively.

Edit: re-read my post, I wasn't clear enough earlier, my bad.
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Sure, but we are also #2 in Kenpom in opponents offense (and #3 in overall strength of schedule). I realize Kenpom defensive rankings correct for this, but still we have faced a ridiculous number of good offenses, and like any team we have improved defensively quite a bit. And as good as Georges is on offense, he isn't the greatest defensively. We had to constantly double Georges's guy to keep him out of foul trouble. We are probably a better defensive team overall without him in there. I would take our defensive stats with a grain of salt.
 
Metrics smetrics. We're 28-7 and one of the last 16 teams standing. It doesn't matter what's already happened. Kenpom or no Kenpom, tomorrow night we'll find out who moves on. We're four wins from a national title. /thread
 
OkaForPrez said:
You have very similar defensive profiles on kenpom.
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Overall defensive efficiency might be close, but their defensive styles are pretty different. Memphis relies pretty heavily on steals and turning you over where ISU is more at home sitting back and trying to force longer jump shots. Not sure if that's good for UConn or not, but ISUs D isn't closely comparable to any of the top half American teams.
 
Louisville got em twice also. I mentioned in the thread yesterday that I thought Fred/coaches might take a look at the SMU and Louisville game film. I really hope we beat these guys tomorrow night. Watching the games tonight. Looking forward to this UCLA and Florida game. Was really hoping Baylor could of given Wis a better game. Man O Man Wisconsin looks pretty incredible.
 
Amesboy said:
Louisville got em twice also. I mentioned in the thread yesterday that I thought Fred/coaches might take a look at the SMU and Louisville game film. I really hope we beat these guys tomorrow night.
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Louisville actually got us three times this year and either 8 of last 9 or 9 of last 10. Ville is the only team I've ever seen UConn up and quit against. And more than once. We can't seem to deal with the relentless pressing and trapping. I'm beginning to think they take amphetamines before our games. They never give UConn a chance to breathe. And our guys have always put an emphasis on conditioning.

So if you can pull off that kind of relentless full-court pressure for 40 minutes, you'll win easily.
 
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