You Iowans should consider yourselves lucky. We're looking at 260/wk for 2 and up... infants have now crested $300. Your spouse really has to make a good salary for it to even be worth both parents working full time...
Section 12 - 30 years at $100
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You Iowans should consider yourselves lucky. We're looking at 260/wk for 2 and up... infants have now crested $300. Your spouse really has to make a good salary for it to even be worth both parents working full time...
Thats ********. If you cant or wont pay you're not with us is that it? Now we have to pay to be good fans? The team only cares about the fan to the extent of the donation right?
not to turn this into a daycare thread, but thank God for my in-laws and my parents. My friend spent $16,000 last year for 2 children.
His point is more of the fact that people were donating, but stop because they dont want to change seats.
Hence the seat change being enough to make them want to stop seeing ISU/Big 12 football.
Its business people its not personal. JP has a job to do thats it. Believe it or not his one and only goal is to raise money he looks at a P/L just like many of us. Sorry good sir if you have donated for 30years but $100 over 30years is still only 3k where the person taking you seat will donate the SAME amount in only 6 YEARS.
ONCE AGAIN Its business people its not personal
ONCE AGAIN Its business people its not personal
I think the poster is more frustrated with the department asking for more money while there has been no real substantive change in the program since 1978. Sure we have had acouple of bowl appearances and even won one of em but no sustained success. We have never been a serious threat to the conference title, got close to wining the division a couple of times but thats it.
I couldn't care less how he spends his money, but to ***** about the seat donation changing for the first time is 30 years, is crazy IMO. This is simply someone who is pissed that he has to move seats...... I feel sorry for those that have to move, but I also feel sorry for those that have been sitting a section or two below their donation level for several years.
If the OP wants to take his ball and go home in protest fine, but clearly he came here looking for sympathy and everyone here was already giving what they needed to, or are feeling the same squeeze and doing what it takes. There is no shame in moving over a section or two and spending the same money to get the same enjoyment as the last 30 years, but IMO there is shame in bailing on the team you love because your feelings are hurt. He can spend the exact same or less and still enjoy game day..... just not from his old seats.
Lastly, if it comes down to whether or not you can "afford the luxury of tickets," there's no question what the right thing to do is. Many of us had to wait a few years to be able to afford many of the luxuries we now enjoy and one of those for me is NCC, FB and MBB tickets. But back in those days when I was working at it, I never sat around ******** to others that ISU was screwing me by pricing it out of my range. I just turned on the radio and dreamed of days to come.
I've seen this said many times - and no it is not.
If it wasn't personal, we wouldn't care when the team lost. If it wasn't personal, the original poster probably wouldn't have watched 30 mostly terrible years of ISU football. People buy season tickets because they care about the team and the players and Iowa State. That is an emotional attachment that a lot of us have because we went to school at ISU or have some other tie through family or whatever.
JP may be making business decisions, but ISU sports are not a business, no matter how much it becomes about money. Based on our historical success, if it were a business, we would have closed shop by now.
You need to take a chill pill and stop putting words in my mouth.
Are you saying it's not hurting the program to stop giving a NCC donation and cancelling a season ticket order? Is that what you are saying? I never said he's a bad fan or any such crap, but he's bailing because he has to move.... NOT BECAUSE HE CAN'T PAY.
He's making a conscious decision to penalize ISU by withdrawing his monetary support because they are asking him to EITHER pay more OR pay the same and move to an appropriate section.
All our fans are important from those that give big $$$$ to those that give nothing more than their heart. It doesn't make him any less of a fan to walk away, but it certainly hurts the program monetarily. Is it a case of the bigger the check the "more important" the fan? Probably in some regards, since those big $$$ money donors do more for the program overall, but that doesn't mean the smaller givers aren't also VERY important...... at least I hope not for my sake.
We might be sitting next to each other at the games. I did the same thing (went from Gold Plus to Captains), but I only got one extra ticket this year.
You may have missed the post where "who cares" was said, since it was edited. Read the quotes in posts #16 and #18.
JP may be making business decisions and it may be nothing personal, but some feel alienated and the subject seems to put a major split in the fan base, IMO.
I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am trying to interpret what you mean by "voting for losing ISU football with your feet" means by not giving more money. I dont think the poster wants ISU to lose, I think by being a fan through 30 years of mostly very bad football he wants to see some wins. When the department shakes him down for more cash he gets frustrated and walks. I cant blame him. When does it end? When does the program become responsible for its own success and failures?
I just feel when fans stop giving they get labeled as being part of the problem.
OK, gotcha'.
We all have our limits and has any one of us not thought..... "that's it, I'm done until the wins come?" I would imagine everyone of us has said or thought that at some time. I don't think a fan bailing is "part of the problem"...... but they probably cease to be "part of the solution" when they walk away.
A certain amount of income is required to provide the facilities and quality of staff necessary to successfully compete in the Big 12. ADJP is making his decisions to generate revenue to meet those goals. I think whether or not those decisions are called "business" decisions is just a matter of semantics. ADJP is making decisions to generate the revenue necessary to meet the athletic department goals of successful competition in the Big 12.
It's unfortunate that ISU has to raise ticket prices such that some folks can't go to games, but the level of revenue necessary to compete in the Big 12 has to be generated somehow. IMO, the bigger problem is the lack of alumni that donate to the CC. The ticket prices have to be raised in part to compensate for the weak alumni donations. That map that shows the % of donating alumni is really sad.
The hard fact of the matter is that presently, many kids who go to ISU are really Hawk fans and have grown up in "Hawk" families, and many of them go right back to being Hawk fans when they leave ISU. That's why I love what ADJP is doing at the "grass roots" level to get families and young kids on the ISU bandwagon. I think this family approach, along with the ability to keep the athletic department's collective nose relatively clean, should be very appealing to Iowa folks. However, it will take a number of years for this approach to bear fruit. In the meantime, ticket prices are probably going to continue to rise.
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Joining in very late, but just wanted to point out that USF is the ninth largest university in the country with over 44,000 students. (Lots of alumni for donations.) They also have the luxury of having a pro stadium (Raymond James) to play their games in.
I'm with the few that point out that money is only part of the equation. Nothing is more important than a smart coaching staff that can spot good talent, develop it, and outsmart their opponents on Saturdays. UNI's program has been at least equal to ours the last few years (maybe better), their football budget is a fraction of ours, and they don't have million dollar coaches (I think Farley made $150K last year). We've got good facilities and if we've got a sharp head coach and staff we'll be successful, if we don't, we won't no matter how much money JP brings in.
Keepngoal, you know by tattling on your friends, you're really just tattling on yourself. By tattling on your friends, you're just telling them that you're a tattletale. Now is that the tale you want to tell?
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