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KSUcat said:
Probably 65-70% if everyone stays healthy.

I forgot to mention this in my last post but the "you guys lost a lot" talking point is dumb, considering ISU is returning the same number of starters. KSU has more talent all around though. Our offense might actually be better than last year with our entire OL returning, along with Hubert, Thompson, and Lockett. We are more than fine at QB. The defense has a lot of question marks but it helps that we return All-American safety Ty Zimmerman, who you all may remember by his big INT last year against ISU.
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Your losing alot equates to a guy that finished 4th in hiesman, he single handedly won you games. If anything else we are replacing a quarterback that single handedly lost us games by countless turnovers especially at inopportune times.
 
Rhoadhoused said:
There is absolutely no way your offense is better next year without Klein. That dude was a 4-5 yard hammer every play. Brown was a dominant force as well who was a game changer.

ISU loses some players, but we are at a point in our program when the underclassmen are much more naturally talented overall than the upperclassmen IMO. Klein and Knott will be very very tough to replace, but I don't see any other players who are graduated that are without question going to be impossible to replace.

I think you will find that when running a normal offense that isn't as impossibly safe as the one you were able to run with Klein you will find more opportunities for mistakes and turnovers.

I gave ISU a 55% chance to win the game and that has a lot to do with the fact that I don't think KSU has a talent advantage over ISU, I expect ISU's offense to be much better, and because I don't really respect your home field advantage all that much. Sorry because that probably offends you, but I simply don't think it is that tough of a place to play compared to other road games.

You guys were very good the past 2 years, but before that your record is always padded by easy non conference schedules and you have not beaten ISU convincinly in a long time. I'm sticking with my 55% prediction for ISU to win, but I respect your pick as well.
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Completely agree. Almost laughable that he makes that sort of statement. How long after losing Michael Bishop did it take to replace his productivity? A decade?
 
KSUcat said:
Probably 65-70% if everyone stays healthy.

I forgot to mention this in my last post but the "you guys lost a lot" talking point is dumb, considering ISU is returning the same number of starters. KSU has more talent all around though. Our offense might actually be better than last year with our entire OL returning, along with Hubert, Thompson, and Lockett. We are more than fine at QB. The defense has a lot of question marks but it helps that we return All-American safety Ty Zimmerman, who you all may remember by his big INT last year against ISU.
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Look no offense but I have a hard time believing that KSU is at the point where they can lose the guy that legitimately could have won the Heisman without skipping a beat.
I thought Optimus was by far the most valuable player to his team in the country last year.
Being overly confident in a guy that threw 8 passes last year for 55 yds seems arrogant to me.

Toss up game IMO
 
UNIGuy4Cy said:
Completely agree. Almost laughable that he makes that sort of statement. How long after losing Michael Bishop did it take to replace his productivity? A decade?
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Yep. There is a difference between losing production, losing snaps, and losing unique players with extremely unique skills that you tailored your entire offense around. They have to create a whole new offense this year and they have to run it with the same type of talent ISU has. Which is not going to be as effective as a unique QB power run offense with the 4th place heisman QB. Klein was an outstanding way to hide the gap in talent between Kstate and the rest of the Big 12 elite. They won't have that eraser this year.
 
It's really not that hard to argue that if Klien wasn't on the team last year that ISU and KSU had pretty similar teams. Strong defenses in an offense minded league, offenses that scored well in the red zone. The biggest difference was in the offensive trips to the red zone and turnover margin. Klein had most of the turnover margin on his shoulders, and he was an amazing player. If we could have had a QB like him, I think our roles would be reversed.
 
Rhoadhoused said:
There is absolutely no way your offense is better next year without Klein. That dude was a 4-5 yard hammer every play. Brown was a dominant force as well who was a game changer.

ISU loses some players, but we are at a point in our program when the underclassmen are much more naturally talented overall than the upperclassmen IMO. Klein and Knott will be very very tough to replace, but I don't see any other players who are graduated that are without question going to be impossible to replace.

I think you will find that when running a normal offense that isn't as impossibly safe as the one you were able to run with Klein you will find more opportunities for mistakes and turnovers.

I gave ISU a 55% chance to win the game and that has a lot to do with the fact that I don't think KSU has a talent advantage over ISU, I expect ISU's offense to be much better, and because I don't really respect your home field advantage all that much. Sorry because that probably offends you, but I simply don't think it is that tough of a place to play compared to other road games.

You guys were very good the past 2 years, but before that your record is always padded by easy non conference schedules and you have not beaten ISU convincinly in a long time. I'm sticking with my 55% prediction for ISU to win, but I respect your pick as well.
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There have been multiple people say that our offense has a chance to be better than last year. Don't call it "laughable" (UNIGuy4Cy) when you don't even know the entire circumstances. Klein was a tremendous leader and competitor. He ran the offense really well and was a good down field runner. He was not a great passer or shifty runner. With Sams, comes one of the fastest, if not the fastest QB in the country. He is an elusive runner with a much stronger arm than Klein. I am not saying he is going to be better, but the potential really is there.

You all are probably familiar with Waters, as he played at Iowa Western. He broke juco passing records set by Cam Newton and won a national championship last year. He is a more than adequate runner.

QB isn't the only position on offense. Again, we return our entire OL, a RB who has rushed for over 900 yards two years in a row, and two WR's who are among the most dynamic players in the Big 12 in Lockett and Thompson. Klein will be tough to replace but the potential to be better on offense is there.

KSU is going to be better on offense than ISU is and is more talented all around. Quit drinking the ISU kool aid. You also couldn't be more wrong about our home field advantage, as KSU has the best record in the Big 12 at home the past three years. We were undefeated at home last year and only lost to OU at home the year before. Art Briles said last month when asked about the toughest place to play in the Big 12:
"Right when you said it I thought Manhattan, KS. You want to stand next to someone and not be able to hear them, walk your *** into Manhattan, KS."

Kliff Kingsbury had this to say this summer: "Actually Kansas State. It's their fans.They're pretty choreographed, they do great cheers and chants, and they're always rowdy. That's a great atmosphere."

So I am really confused as to why you think it's not a tough place to play. Our non conference schedules have not been very weak the past couple of years. We have played Miami the past two years in the non con, including a win in Coral Gables.
 
UNIGuy4Cy said:
Completely agree. Almost laughable that he makes that sort of statement. How long after losing Michael Bishop did it take to replace his productivity? A decade?
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It actually took less than a year. Jonathan Beasley filled in very nicely. We went 11-1 the year after Bishop left and our only loss came in Lincoln to an NU team that finished #3 in the country.
 
KSUcat said:
There have been multiple people say that our offense has a chance to be better than last year. Don't call it "laughable" (UNIGuy4Cy) when you don't even know the entire circumstances. Klein was a tremendous leader and competitor. He ran the offense really well and was a good down field runner. He was not a great passer or shifty runner. With Sams, comes one of the fastest, if not the fastest QB in the country. He is an elusive runner with a much stronger arm than Klein. I am not saying he is going to be better, but the potential really is there.

You all are probably familiar with Waters, as he played at Iowa Western. He broke juco passing records set by Cam Newton and won a national championship last year. He is a more than adequate runner.

QB isn't the only position on offense. Again, we return our entire OL, a RB who has rushed for over 900 yards two years in a row, and two WR's who are among the most dynamic players in the Big 12 in Lockett and Thompson. Klein will be tough to replace but the potential to be better on offense is there.

KSU is going to be better on offense than ISU is and is more talented all around. Quit drinking the ISU kool aid. You also couldn't be more wrong about our home field advantage, as KSU has the best record in the Big 12 at home the past three years. We were undefeated at home last year and only lost to OU at home the year before. Art Briles said last month when asked about the toughest place to play in the Big 12:
"Right when you said it I thought Manhattan, KS. You want to stand next to someone and not be able to hear them, walk your *** into Manhattan, KS."

Kliff Kingsbury had this to say this summer: "Actually Kansas State. It's their fans.They're pretty choreographed, they do great cheers and chants, and they're always rowdy. That's a great atmosphere."

So I am really confused as to why you think it's not a tough place to play. Our non conference schedules have not been very weak the past couple of years. We have played Miami the past two years in the non con, including a win in Coral Gables.
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I have anointed K State as Alabama 2.0
 
KSUcat said:
There have been multiple people say that our offense has a chance to be better than last year. Don't call it "laughable" (UNIGuy4Cy) when you don't even know the entire circumstances. Klein was a tremendous leader and competitor. He ran the offense really well and was a good down field runner. He was not a great passer or shifty runner. With Sams, comes one of the fastest, if not the fastest QB in the country. He is an elusive runner with a much stronger arm than Klein. I am not saying he is going to be better, but the potential really is there.

You all are probably familiar with Waters, as he played at Iowa Western. He broke juco passing records set by Cam Newton and won a national championship last year. He is a more than adequate runner.

QB isn't the only position on offense. Again, we return our entire OL, a RB who has rushed for over 900 yards two years in a row, and two WR's who are among the most dynamic players in the Big 12 in Lockett and Thompson. Klein will be tough to replace but the potential to be better on offense is there.

KSU is going to be better on offense than ISU is and is more talented all around. Quit drinking the ISU kool aid. You also couldn't be more wrong about our home field advantage, as KSU has the best record in the Big 12 at home the past three years. We were undefeated at home last year and only lost to OU at home the year before. Art Briles said last month when asked about the toughest place to play in the Big 12:
"Right when you said it I thought Manhattan, KS. You want to stand next to someone and not be able to hear them, walk your *** into Manhattan, KS."

Kliff Kingsbury had this to say this summer: "Actually Kansas State. It's their fans.They're pretty choreographed, they do great cheers and chants, and they're always rowdy. That's a great atmosphere."

So I am really confused as to why you think it's not a tough place to play. Our non conference schedules have not been very weak the past couple of years. We have played Miami the past two years in the non con, including a win in Coral Gables.
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You had some great teams the past few years, and almost every stadium in the Big 12 is tough to play in, but it is not intimidating like @UT, OU, OSU, ect. It is a good atmosphere but not anything that makes me think "There is no way ISU will win there." Your record is a product of very good football teams, not an amazing intimidating atmosphere.

The rest of what you are saying is drinking the KSU Koolaid, plain and simple. Do you think your QB will come close to winning the Heisman this year? Do you think they will complete 65% of their passes, score 40 (40!) TDs?

Do you think Kstate will have a turnover margin of +20 with a QB who has never started in D1 ball before?

KState's turnover margin the past 6 years:

2012- +20
2011- +12
2010- +4
2009- +6
2008- -7
2007- 4

Gee, what happened in 2011 to cause such a spike, and the in 2012 to make it go up even further..... couldn't be the best ball control QB in the country. Should be easy to replace!

http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/team/327/turnovermargin/split.html

Seriously, you need to bring some actual arguments into this instead of "The people we have on the bench are super duper good and every other person we bring back will be better than last year" because every single team in college football says that.
 
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Rhoadhoused said:
You had some great teams the past few years, and almost every stadium in the Big 12 is tough to play in, but it is not intimidating like @UT, OU, OSU, ect. It is a good atmosphere but not anything that makes me think "There is no way ISU will win there." Your record is a product of very good football teams, not an amazing intimidating atmosphere.

The rest of what you are saying is drinking the KSU Koolaid, plain and simple. Do you think your QB will come close to winning the Heisman this year? Do you think they will complete 65% of their passes, score 40 (40!) TDs?

Do you think Kstate will have a turnover margin of +20 with a QB who has never started in D1 ball before?

KState's turnover margin the past 6 years:

2012- +20
2011- +12
2010- +4
2009- +6
2008- -7
2007- 4

Gee, what happened in 2011 to cause such a spike, and the in 2012 to make it go up even further..... couldn't be the best ball control QB in the country. Should be easy to replace!

cfbstats.com - 2007 Kansas State Wildcats Turnover Margin Split Stats

Seriously, you need to bring some actual arguments into this instead of "The people we have on the bench are super duper good and every other person we bring back will be better than last year" because every single team in college football says that.
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And you need to read what I said. I never said the next QB was going to be better than Klein. I said Klein is going to be tough to replace. I also said that our offense could be better than last year despite losing Klein at QB because we return almost everyone on offense and we have two very talented QB's fighting for the starting job.

There is no doubt that it will be tough to replace Klein. Whoever is QB doesn't have to come close to winning the Heisman this year for K-State to be a good team and I don't expect that at all. I am not worried about our offense, it's our defense that has the most of my concerns.
 
boyd said:
8-5, but we must kick the hoks butt. It is the most important game of the year, this year and every year. We need to not only beat them, but put are foot on their throats. I believe Jack Trice will do that for us this year. His spirit will be there. He will be on the field. Our players and fans will go crazy. It is one of the biggest stories in college football. They will make a movie of it, like 42.
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...hoping for some sarcasm here, otherwise your post is a sign that the ISU football program hasn't progressed much; the Iowa game needs to stop being important at all.

Going on trends of CPR's teams...I see somewhere around .500 this year, with some nice games, but inconsistencies on both sides of the ball.

The UNI game could actually be a good indicator...doesn't mean EVERYTHING but if ISU doesn't push them around on both lines, and has to throw a bunch, it can't be good.

I'm sensing more confidence/excitement from what I've read of the players and coaches. The excitement is obviously there for the fans with the sellouts. Hopefully the expectations are met.
 
KSUcat said:
And you need to read what I said. I never said the next QB was going to be better than Klein. I said Klein is going to be tough to replace. I also said that our offense could be better than last year despite losing Klein at QB because we return almost everyone on offense and we have two very talented QB's fighting for the starting job.

There is no doubt that it will be tough to replace Klein. Whoever is QB doesn't have to come close to winning the Heisman this year for K-State to be a good team and I don't expect that at all. I am not worried about our offense, it's our defense that has the most of my concerns.
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My point is Klein isn't just a QB, he was a style of offense. KState converted on 3rd down at a ridiculous rate last year.

Your RB is a good player, but I don't think your WRs are anything special. Locket is a good player though.

Your description to me sounds like a team that will be in the middle of the pack of the Big 12, just like ISU.

I think it will be close but ISU has the edge. We will see when we play.
 
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Rhoadhoused said:
My point is Klein isn't just a QB, he was a style of offense. KState converted on 3rd down at a ridiculous rate last year.

How many Olinemen did you say you return? 2? Your RB is a good player, but I don't think your WRs are anything special. Locket is a good player though.

Your description to me sounds like a team that will be in the middle of the pack of the Big 12, just like ISU.

I think it will be close but ISU has the edge. We will see when we play.
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5. 5char.
 
KSUcat said:
There have been multiple people say that our offense has a chance to be better than last year. Don't call it "laughable" (UNIGuy4Cy) when you don't even know the entire circumstances. Klein was a tremendous leader and competitor. He ran the offense really well and was a good down field runner. He was not a great passer or shifty runner. With Sams, comes one of the fastest, if not the fastest QB in the country. He is an elusive runner with a much stronger arm than Klein. I am not saying he is going to be better, but the potential really is there.

You all are probably familiar with Waters, as he played at Iowa Western. He broke juco passing records set by Cam Newton and won a national championship last year. He is a more than adequate runner.

Just so you know, the Cyclone coaching staff is familiar with Jake Waters and decided not to offer him. Have to believe they feel more confident in Sam Richardson. So, your likely quarterback in Sams threw how many passes last year? 8?

QB isn't the only position on offense. Again, we return our entire OL, a RB who has rushed for over 900 yards two years in a row, and two WR's who are among the most dynamic players in the Big 12 in Lockett and Thompson. Klein will be tough to replace but the potential to be better on offense is there.

KSU is going to be better on offense than ISU is and is more talented all around. Quit drinking the ISU kool aid. You also couldn't be more wrong about our home field advantage, as KSU has the best record in the Big 12 at home the past three years. We were undefeated at home last year and only lost to OU at home the year before. Art Briles said last month when asked about the toughest place to play in the Big 12:
"Right when you said it I thought Manhattan, KS. You want to stand next to someone and not be able to hear them, walk your *** into Manhattan, KS."

Kliff Kingsbury had this to say this summer: "Actually Kansas State. It's their fans.They're pretty choreographed, they do great cheers and chants, and they're always rowdy. That's a great atmosphere."

What does Kliff know? As a coach I don't believe he has ever coached a game in Manhattan. As a player yes, but his opinion as a coach means nothing.

So I am really confused as to why you think it's not a tough place to play. Our non conference schedules have not been very weak the past couple of years. We have played Miami the past two years in the non con, including a win in Coral Gables.
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Not a strong program any longer. No different than any other middle of pack BCS program.
 
madguy30 said:
...hoping for some sarcasm here, otherwise your post is a sign that the ISU football program hasn't progressed much; the Iowa game needs to stop being important at all.

Going on trends of CPR's teams...I see somewhere around .500 this year, with some nice games, but inconsistencies on both sides of the ball.

The UNI game could actually be a good indicator...doesn't mean EVERYTHING but if ISU doesn't push them around on both lines, and has to throw a bunch, it can't be good.

I'm sensing more confidence/excitement from what I've read of the players and coaches. The excitement is obviously there for the fans with the sellouts. Hopefully the expectations are met.
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When Hayden Fry became UI coach. He said the most important thing they had to do, was to dominate ISU. Unfortunately he did! And you can see what happened. A legion of young Hawk fans were born. Believe me, all the coaches for both teams know the importance of that game. It does no good to downplay it. You have to embrace it. Watch the atmosphere for that game when it arrives. Then feed me your nonsense.
 
UNI - closer than it should be - W 34-20
Iowa - an explosion against the worst team on our schedule - W 51-9
@ Tulsa - close game on the road - W 31-26
Texas - open up with a big win at home to open Big XII play - W 25-20
@ Texas Tech - Go on the road & pull 1 out in Lubbock - W 38-36
@ Baylor - Can't quite make it 3-0 to start league play - L 41-27
Oklahoma State - another Southern team will really start not to like to come north to play ISU - W 44-41
@ Kansas State - As good as KSU was last year, this year's team regresses - W 24-13
TCU - cold-blooded Horned Frogs join with OSU's feeling for Ames - W 41-35
@ Oklahoma - cannot break the streak vs OU on the road - L 34-16
Kansas - eek out a close one late in the season to reach 9 wins - W 28-26
@ West Virginia - with double digits in sight, Rhoads & Wally have won @ WVU before & do so again - W 34-27

10-2. Shock the world!
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Iowa State is left out of BCS. Plays SEC foe in Cotton Bowl
 
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