Sandbagging at Hilton

[DaddyMac]

That was my thought. Season's sposed to start in 10 days for them. Im guessing theres no way theyre gonna be ready for it.

I'd say it's likely Forker (PEB).

Or perhaps even Ames High.

 

[Dryburn]

Actually it takes a crew of around 15-17 (if I remember correctly) between 2 and 2.5 hours to put in the floor. Taking it out would use the same crew and be almost the same time. That is what I remember from almost 20 years ago when I was filling those calls. They still would have had to use additional time and labor to move it out of the floor level up to the concourse to keep it safe. The carts of floor would have to go outside to make it to the concourse level as the elevators wouldn't handle that size cart (at least they didn't back then). So if the top of the ramp was already wet, that ship would have already sailed if you'll pardon the pun.

However, if they thought their labor was best served keeping the water out and they thought they were going to accomplish that, they would have used the labor there rather than taking out the floor.

My frame of reference on the floor was from like 25+ years ago too. The crews were probably that large back then too...memory starts to fade a bit.

Seeing the video now, and as deep as the water is, it doesn't really seem that the floor would have been their major concern. I wonder is they managed to keep the water out of the locker, storage and mechanical rooms at all.

 

[Steve]

If it is still like it was in 1993, ISU is self-insured.

I can't imagine any insurance company that would issue a flood insurance policy after what happened in 1993. If a policy were to be offered, it would certainly be cost-prohibited.

 

[CycloneJames]

There are drains in the floor of Hilton.......used to drain the ice after it was down, but obviously those are going to be of no use now.....since no doubt the storm sewers are full and probably backing up into the building already. I wonder if the sanitary sewers have backed up into yet? That will make the problem even worse.

You could use sump pumps to pump the water out, but that may be useless if the water is still coming in. Once the storm sewers are open again, it will not be terribly difficult to get the water out.

I don't know how much combined sanitary and storm sewers Ames has. Hopefully not very much, otherwise its likely that its backed up.

 

[Three4Cy]

The scary thing is this impacts volleyball and soccer immediately, and the possibility of impacting wrestling and both basketball teams. If volleyball plays at Ames HS, they would be ok, since high school is typically on Tuesday night, and B12 is on Wednesday. As for soccer, IDK where they will play, if the weather cooperates, they should be ok, but if that water sits on the field too long, it will kill out the grass. Does Ames HS play on the football field or do they have their own field? If they play on the football field, could be interesting since soccer plays on Friday nights. If Hilton is not ready for basketball, I see us playing at Wells Fargo Arena, wrestling could end up at Ames HS or Wells too.

 

[simply1]

Definite memories of sandbagging in the rain from '93

 

[jbhtexas]

You could use sump pumps to pump the water out, but that may be useless if the water is still coming in.

I don't know what the influx rate is, but I was thinking more along the line of a bunch of 5000 GPM or higher engine-driven pumps, either permanently mounted or on trailers that could be quickly deployed. Maybe you could contain the water level to a couple of feet. If the mechanical and electrical equipment on the bottom level could be installed at that level or higher, perhaps the pumps could save much of it, and the damage could be limited to walls, sheetrock, etc.

 

[Flag Guy]

Actually it takes a crew of around 15-17 (if I remember correctly) between 2 and 2.5 hours to put in the floor. Taking it out would use the same crew and be almost the same time. That is what I remember from almost 20 years ago when I was filling those calls. They still would have had to use additional time and labor to move it out of the floor level up to the concourse to keep it safe. The carts of floor would have to go outside to make it to the concourse level as the elevators wouldn't handle that size cart (at least they didn't back then). So if the top of the ramp was already wet, that ship would have already sailed if you'll pardon the pun.

However, if they thought their labor was best served keeping the water out and they thought they were going to accomplish that, they would have used the labor there rather than taking out the floor.

This. Getting the floor taken apart isn't the issue... it's not a simple matter of putting it away. The place where the floor is stored is also underwater

As for flooring crew... I'm sure they could get one together (two teams of 4 picking the pieces up.. a couple of people going through undoing the fasteners, a supervisor or two and a fork lift group) but moving it to the concourse would be a much bigger challenge

 

[Flag Guy]

Also I find it hard to believe that floor would be "floating" as one piece... it's way to heavy for that

 

[MNCYWX]

Also I find it hard to believe that floor would be "floating" as one piece... it's way to heavy for that

Doesn't matter how heavy it is. Wood floats. It is less dense.

Just because it's heavy doesn't mean it doesn't float. Ships float right?

 

[cyclonedave25]

Doesn't matter how heavy it is. Wood floats. It is less dense.

Wood doesn't "always" float.

 

[Wesley]

Where is that Ring Levee when you need it?

 

[clone52]

Wood doesn't "always" float.

If it becomes thoughroughly soaked, it would sink, although I don't think that would happen with the floor.

 

[Wesley]

Doesn't matter how heavy it is. Wood floats. It is less dense.

Just because it's heavy doesn't mean it doesn't float. Ships float right?

Could you drive an 18 wheeler into the place before the flood and load it?

 

[MNCYWX]

Wood doesn't "always" float.

Yeah, if it is waterlogged, but I have a hard time believing that the basketball floor was waterlogged.

 

[Flag Guy]

Doesn't matter how heavy it is. Wood floats. It is less dense.

Just because it's heavy doesn't mean it doesn't float. Ships float right?

Wood doesn't "always" float.

Nor is it just wood.

 

[d4nim4l]

I'd say it's likely Forker (PEB).

Or perhaps even Ames High.

This is probably correct. Although I would love to see if they can work out something with Wells Fargo Arena to get a few matches there.

 

[Flag Guy]

Could you drive an 18 wheeler into the place before the flood and load it?

if you knew that much rain was coming

 

[jsmith86]

Wood doesn't "always" float.

But if it floats, it must be made of wood, and therefore a witch.

 

[A-town Cy]

if you knew that much rain was coming

No kidding, they had no clue, that storm was moving straight East over Fort Dodge and looked like Ames was just going to get clipped, then it moved south east and parked over Ames.