post spring game depth chart
- Thread starter bigdaddykane
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I find the argument that, Sam was so far ahead that the coaches gave the other guys a chance to compete during the spring game, hilarious. If you have a clear #1 you give him all the snaps with the top unit. That is what they did with Rohach...
I will be shocked if the QB come fall is not Rohach. Not to mention it should be, he is clearly the best passer, and if we want to compete in the Big12 we have to be able to pass.
I will be shocked if the QB come fall is not Rohach. Not to mention it should be, he is clearly the best passer, and if we want to compete in the Big12 we have to be able to pass.
If that was the case and Sam was clearly #3 (based on spring game snaps) then why hasn't he transferred yet? MM had 2 scrimmages to evaluate his QB's not just one. NO one saw scrimmage #1 so no one knows for sure what went down, but there are rumors circulating that Sam played very well in scrimmage #1. I don't think it's a stretch at all, especially if you saw Sam play healthy, in 2012.
You can't transfer in the middle of the semester, so no point to announce yet even if he were. Also, just because he might not be the starter doesn't mean he has to transfer.
I agree you evaluate based both scrimmages, and who knows what happened in the first, but you also evaluate each day in practice. The guys that perform in practice will continue to get reps, and it seems to me that by the time the spring game rolled around Rohach had gotten to the point where he was getting all the #1 reps, and Lanning likewise was getting all the #2 reps.
Actually, even though you can't officially execute a transfer mid semester, now is the best time to announce a transfer so you can open your recruitment to other teams across the country potentially in need of a QB. Look at how many QB's nationally who have announced their intent to transfer already since December. Waiting till Summer would be a bad move if you intend eventually to transfer.
Richardson still has a very good shot at being named the starter IMO.
I agree but MM said right before the spring game that he wanted to narrow the field from 3 to 2 as his Top priority. I agree about evaluating every day of practice, which makes Sam not taking ANY snaps with the 1's or 2's that much more perplexing in the spring game. They had previously said that they would rotate all 3 QB's with each 1-2-3 OL and WR's, but they did not do that in the game. Why? There has to be a reason. MM on CycloneTv, said he wanted to get it whittled down to 2 QB's by the end of spring so he can go into Fall camp with the top 2 taking all the reps. If through the entire spring practices up until the spring game, Sam had solidified his place in the top 1 or 2, then him NOT playing much in the spring game, makes the most sense to me.
Sam was interviewed around the time of the 1st scrimmage a week earlier and he said "things were rolling along pretty well"-not something you say if you are not having confidence in how you are playing. Grant at that same time, said "I started the spring slower than I wanted, but came on late". Taking these things and the summation of everything that was said by CPR and MM, and seeing them play, I would argue that if any of the three that they were keeping in the mix so they don't transfer out, I'd say that person would be Lanning. I don't know for sure, but when I see what the coaches and players are saying, how they are saying it, then you can form a best guess as to where things stand. If Sam truly felt that he was #3 now, (which CPR's comments did not support as he said Sam might very well be taking all the snaps with the 1's on the final 2 days of practice after the spring game) I would bet very strongly that he would be gone by now, and not use another year of eligibility up here when he could transfer to another school and play right away at a UNI sized school, or wait a year in Div I, learn the offense and not burn up a year of playing QB at ISU. But that is not happening. I may be completely wrong in my analysis, but when Grant says he started slower than he wanted and every day, they are under the microscope then I would say the most likely scenario is that Sam played well and earned a top 2 spot, maybe a #1 spot under MM before the spring game, especially when CPR said he could very well be taking the snaps with the 1's after the spring game when he hardly played.
Look at it this way, if MM's primary goal was to narrow the field to 2 by the end of the spring game, why wouldn't you give the most snaps to the guys who are trying to fill the 2nd slot? It is an evaluation period after all.
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I'm going to nit pick your post, just for the sake of argument.
I'm curious about many people's certainty around Farniok in the NFL. Tough to judge him off last year because he was hurt, but I don't see what others do. He doesnt really lock up lb's and he struggles against odd fronts and there is a lot of that in the nfl. I think he is a solid player, but not special. If you ever watch him, his effort is amazing though.
Burton is a beast? We must have different definitions. I don't recall him physically dominating anyone.
I think Farniok is obviously a lot mroe comfortable in a zone blocking scheme and I expect him to come out and shine this year. His ability to play center as an undersized freshman leads me to believe that once everything clicks scheme and size wise he will excel.
And when it comes to Burton he is the one I know the least, but he is very big for a sophomore and I expect his progression to keep going and for all the experience he is getting early to pay off.
I think those top 3 are very likely to go to the NFL and the other 2 are possibilities, but maybe not likelihoods.
And if he had already decided on a #1 guy then it would be beyond stupid, and remind me of the way that QB has been handled the past few years under Rhoads, to not name the starter and then say the other two guys were competing for #2. If the situation is what you are proposing then the new boss is the same as the old boss and we can look forward to another year of a complete cluster at the QB position.
I'm not saying he had settled on Sam as his #1. I'm saying he wanted to get to the top 2 by the end of spring practice, and maybe in his mind, Sam had played well enough this spring to be in the top 2 for sure to that point, or maybe #1 to this point. MM never said he had a particular timeline to name a #1, just said, "as soon as possible" which could be awhile. I don't think that is mismanagement, I think he only has so many hours to evaluate these guys due to NCAA time constraints, and his premise was to not rep 5 guys all Autumn when you could rep 2 guys and THEN determine a #1.
No, that's the story about last year and maybe this year. Clearly you haven't been a fan for long.
While that does sound like Rhoads' level QB management, that makes absolutely no sense. At all.
If you are looking for your top two guys, and you know one of them is Richardson, and you don't know who the other one is, that means Richardson is your #1 guy and the other two are fighting for #2. Your scenario doesn't even make sense as a hypothetical unless you assume our coaches are completely incompetent at what they are paid to do.
I am pulling for Richardson and think he'd win us the most games this year. But there's nothing coming out of spring practice that makes it look like anybody but Rohach is in the driver's seat for the start against NDSU.
Then you'll have to take it up with MM, not me, because that is what he said he was gonna do. Get it to 2 before Fall camp and then determine who is #1 as soon as possible after camp starts or sooner if possible, but since they cannot work them over the summer (officially) looks like it will be Fall camp.
My scenario does make sense if there isn't a whole lot of separation between the 3 guys, but perhaps enough by the spring game that SR had qualified as a top 2 in MM's mind. Doesn't mean he is ready to name a starter today. Just means that he is still evaluating. SR MAY be his #1 up to this point, but if say, GR is close on his heels, then he may not be ready to declare EITHER of them the starter now. I believe it will be between SR and GR but I don't think MM has determined a #1 and #2 yet, but may know who the top 2 are. They are not necessarily one in the same as he needs more offense to me implemented, and more reps to determine the starter. It's really not that hard. Some of you want to bicker about who is #1 and #2 right now. That does not matter what the order is now, just that he knows which 2 will get the most reps when camp starts and who is mentally picking up the offense the best to THIS point in time, which only MM knows. MM just wants to get it whittled down to his top 2 and go from there. I am just paraphrasing MM on how he is managing the process from his interviews.
IMO, for Lanning, or ANY Frosh QB in this league, to be considered, he would have to be a LOT better than the other two to get the nod ahead of guys that have already played a bunch, and from what I saw in the game, that's not happening.
Another thought that occurred to me, is that maybe Mangino told the QB's before the 1st scrimmage that whomever QB wins the scrimmages will be his top two moving forward, (each QB will have to win 1 of 2 games) which MIGHT explain why the snap dispartity was what the way it was in the spring game, IF SR won the first scrimmage. And why CPR said post game that SR may be taking all the snaps with the 1st unit in the two practices remaining after the spring game. That would be a way for the coach to allow the maximum number of snaps between 3 guys in two games, and give everyone a fair shake at the competition. I'm just going back to my playing days and remembering how coaches whittled down the field and made it fair and competitive. That is not outside the realm of possibilities.
I really think it will be hard to choose between SR and GR. Different styles, but both above average QB's. Which ever one moves the chains most consistently and keeps our young defense off the field, will strategically be the guy, IMO.
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Ok, either Rohach and Sam end up #1 and #2. We are about to have six scholarship QBs on the roster, five of which are RS Sophomore or Freshman.
Richardson - RS JR
Rohach - RS SO
Lanning - RS FR
Hodge - RS FR
Starcevich - FR (gray shirt)
Lee Campbell - FR
No one looks like they are transferring and we could use the scholarships/production. When are we moving Lanning and Hodge to LB and DB?
Based on comments CPR has made, Lanning isn't going to change positions anytime soon. I think it would make sense to move Hodge to d-back if he's out of the equation at QB though.
