Phog Allen can bite me
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I don't think they're our rival. I hate their team, fans and refs way more than any team we would consider our rival though. If we hadn't dropped off after 99-01 we'd be true rivals by now...they were getting pretty testy when we beat them 5 straight.
So they have a winning record against us in Hilton that time frame then? A good chunk have been close games?
2003, lost by 29
2004, ISU win
2005, lost by 5
2006, lost by 10
2007, lost in OT
2008, lost by 11
2009, lost by 15
2010, lost by 23
2011, lost by 5
2012, won
2013, lost by 12 (in OT)
2014, lost by 7
In the last 12, ISU is 2-10 and KU has won 6 by 10 or more points. It just has not been a place for KU to fear and we have not really been competitive with them. Hopefully that is changing, but the facts are they have owned Hilton for over a decade.
Danny Manning would disagree. It's just not back to full strength yet, but it will be very soon.:smile:
I count 7 close games. Oh, and nice stats of the Morgan and McDermott eras, the eras that absolutely erased everything that Johnny, Floyd, and Eustachy had built.
That is the point. You are going back 30 years to try and stake your claim that Hilton Magic is something that KU fans should respect when the fact is, in recent history, the facts have showed otherwise. Sure Morgan and McDermott era sucked, but it isn't as though they did not happen. You have to go back in time longer than the current players have been alive to show a consistent success for ISU over KU in Hilton. That is the whole point of asking why someone would take offense at KU fans not believing in Hilton Magic. It has not applied to them for nearly two decades. This is not a slam of Hilton or of ISU, it is simply pointing out that there has been little or no Magic for ISU against KU in Hilton as of late.
But you don't have to go back 30 years. If you just go back 4 more years than what you did you get:
1999 Won
2000 Won
2001 Won
2002 Lost by 7
That's 11 close games out of the last 16 including 5 ISU wins and a couple more that went into overtime. That is not going back 30 years, all within the lifespan of even the youngest Jayhawk player and most of them very competitive.
Kansas always comes into Hilton and plays lights out. The fans won't admit it, but the players definitely know its a big game. They always show up.
So you really expect to go to KUs forum and read glowing testimonials about us and Hilton? Go find threads praising KU or Iowa on CF. I am shocked about how upset people get about hawkeye nation threads and others.
News Alert: all fans wear blinders and believe they are the best and hate their rivals. It's going to happen on HN, PhogAllen, and it happens here too. We love Hilton but not everyone shares our enthusiasm
I will never understand going to an opponents forum, and then getting upset about what is said on their forum.
I agree -> I go to other boards and post occasionally, but make it a point to try not to get upset no matter what they say.
Anyways, as to this thread, until they start losing here, i can see why they don't think it's that difficult of a place to play. The rest of the big 12 know it's a difficult place to play though. And there are some posters on phog.net that do respect our arena and players. They just get lost among the dumber posters (which every fan base has on the internet).
Good grief, what do you want them to do? Start up threads to sing the praises of Hilton? I certainly don't come on here expecting to read nice things about KU or their arena. I would assume people get carried away whooping it up there just as they do here.
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So you go back 4 more years and accumulate a record of 5-11 over the last 16. Again, why should this show KU fans that Hilton is "magical"? A 69% KU win rate in Hilton. Like I said, I am not denigrating ISU here because I LOVE Hilton, but come on, why should we get upset or expect KU fans to talk about Hilton like it is an impossible place to win when they win here 70% of the time or whatever?
I have a feeling it will be a blow out on national tv, a joke of a game showcasing why ISU is and will always be the "can never have nice things" school of the big 12.