Could you explain so I better understand? I thought Monte did establish both feet and the ball in the front court. Maybe I did not see that accurately. And the person he then passed it to (Young I think) still had one foot in the back court (maybe). What did I see/get wrong.
Over and back
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Babb had not established himself in the front court when he received the ball. In order to be considered to be in the front court he must touch his feet down in the front court. It is similar to a player touching the ball after being out of bounds. He is out of bounds until he establishes himself in bounds even if he is airborne over the inbound portion of the court.
I don't know if Monte' had fully established himself as in the front court, but it looked like the right call to me.
I don't think it was the correct call, but I also don't think it should have come to that. Monte should have been dribbling toward the center of the court, and he should never give up the ball in that situation. He was forced to pass because they were gunna trap him using the sideline.
This is the only beef I have ever had with MM. He tends to shy away and not take the aggressive approach. He is arguably the best PG in the nation, but unlike Mason, doesn't force the issue in these situations. He needed to hard charge up the court and try to draw contact. Giving the ball up with a second left had no benefit.
You were no where even close to correct. Monte clearly didn't establish both feet and the ball in the front court. Second it wasn't Young. Third it is possible but not indisputable that Babb had a foot down and the other in the air making him in the front court. The last part is arguable.
I don't see how someone can try and claim that was anywhere close to the correct call.
Babb shouldn't have been lagging in the back-court as Monte was crossing the line. When you are that far into the 10 seconds, you need to be in position to help him get it across half-court.
If Monte was established in the front court (he wasn't), and had thrown it, it would have been correct, as Babb had not established himself in the front court (he jumped from the back court but hadn't not landed yet when receiving the ball).
Great post here. We all knew what was happening. A win for tech helps them get in and it's good for the BIG 12.This is how college sports are played. It made for a great game.
BIG props to the players this year. Refs made a bad call. This group played right through it and got the W.
Coach P was on his game all night. He is in tune with this team and it is great to watch.
BIG props to the players this year. Refs made a bad call. This group played right through it and got the W.
Coach P was on his game all night. He is in tune with this team and it is great to watch.
Agree. The problem with that on that play is, Babb would have been forced to take the last shot.
That was one of my issues with the way they played down the stretch of regulation and OT. No one was more excited than me when Babb hit that earlier 3, but if someone is going to take a contested or forced shot when the shot clock is running out, it has to be Thomas. I'd rather see Matt try a 30 footer, than anyone else a 20 footer, with a hand in their face.
The couple times I remember, Monte tried driving, but he couldn't get a shot off, so he passed it out to Babb. There was still enough time to pass it off again. I know Matt is being guarded heavily, but I'd like to see him come toward the ball, and do everything he can to take the shot.
I dunno, maybe he was on the opposite side, and it wasn't possible to get there in time. I'd have to go back and watch. I just want the ball in Matt's hands if the shot clock is running down, and there needs to be forced shot.
Monte never established in the front court. His body crossed the line, in the air, never made contact with the ground, and threw the ball backwards to Babb. So it looked like an over and back because of the angle of the ball but possession was never established in the front court.
No, because the announcers were not good at their job and lacked basketball knowledge.
No but they weren't what you would call competent announcers. They thought that it was a bad call on Gray when he jumped on Thomas' back at the end.
I see, as I said I was not sure and wanted clarification. I am sure they should hire people from here with better knowledge. They did not even mention it, that is bad.
Thank you for a clear explanation. I did not get to see what happened clearly but it makes sense that in real tieme it could be imagined he had established both feet and the ball. Is there a link to actual video of Monte when he threw it back. Thank you in advance
I can only assume that you quoted me by accident since this doesn't reflect anything I said. Babb hasn't established himself in the front court when he received the ball as he was in the air and when his foot did come down it was on the line so still not by definition establishing him in the front court. If Monte' was indeed not in the front court Babb's backcourt status would be moot. But I was responding to someone who said that the call was bad at both Monte's end and Babb's end. I was responding to the Babb part of it.
I agree with others that Babb shouldn't have been trailing the play by that far. I said something to my wife that it was on him because of that. He should have been no more than a step or two behind Morris so he could quickly cross the line as soon as Morris did. He was several steps behind and couldn't make up the ground quickly enough when Monte' got into trouble.
Buuuut...ISU won anyway.
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