Outcoached in Every Way

[swarthmoreCY]

Ok, i'll give that to you. How about some more examples of how we were outcoahed? Some specifics instead of the cop out of failing to make adjustments.

Sorry, but this is not a video game. Coaching is more than just play-calling. Our fundamentals are generally poor. Just a few quick examples:
The DBs play the ball as badly as any ISU secondary I can recall. The sad thing is they have the raw natural talent to be one of the better ISU secondaries.
Our skill in blitzes is horrible, and has been for 7 years. We often simply take ourselves out of the play.
Our WRs do not consistently run disciplined routes.

 

[CNECloneFan]

It's worse than it looks. Their average 3rd down distance was 8.6 yards. We had them in an average of 3rd and 9. They gained an average of 12.5 yards per play on 3rd down alone. Their average per-play was 5.8 on the game, but on 3rd down, they more than doubled that.

Have we tried dropping 8 and rushing 3 on third and long yet? That seems like it should work.

And this has been going on all year long. Either it is an incredible talent deficit, or it is our scheme.

Take your pick...

 

[CloneAlta]

Embarrassing second half from our coaches. Not our players, but our coaches.

Totally dominated by Mike Gundy and his staff.

I'm sad that our players are stuck with these guys wearing the headsets. This was a game that our players put themselves in a position to win in the first half, and our coaches did nothing to help them in the second.

Ready for JP to clean house and give us a chance again.

Quite frankly, I agree with the essence of your post. Play calling changed significantly after half time, IMO---must more of a pass first/run second approach vs the opposite which had been so successful during the first half. Why? I can't figure that one out. I think the play which defined the difference is when we had 3rd & 1 on our 40 yard line in the 4th quarter and we passed on 3rd down, then ran on 4th and didn't get the first down. Absolutely upside down. Is there anyone who really thinks that Thomas wouldn't be able to get the 1 yard on 3rd down?

My thinking is that the 2nd half performance by the coaching staff might just be the death knell for this coaching staff.

 

[Yellow Snow]

Sorry, but this is not a video game. Coaching is more than just play-calling. Our fundamentals are generally poor. Just a few quick examples:
The DBs play the ball as badly as any ISU secondary I can recall. The sad thing is they have the raw natural talent to be one of the better ISU secondaries.
Our skill in blitzes is horrible, and has been for 7 years. We often simply take ourselves out of the play.
Our WRs do not consistently run disciplined routes.

Well... ok then.

I'd say 30 years, but whatever...

 

[cycfan]

Sorry, but this is not a video game. Coaching is more than just play-calling. Our fundamentals are generally poor. Just a few quick examples:
The DBs play the ball as badly as any ISU secondary I can recall. The sad thing is they have the raw natural talent to be one of the better ISU secondaries.
Our skill in blitzes is horrible, and has been for 7 years. We often simply take ourselves out of the play.
Our WRs do not consistently run disciplined routes.

If you are going to compare coaching, wouldn't you have to agree that our coaches clearly outcoahed theirs for 57 minutes? After all, they are obviosly the bigger, faster and more talented team.

 

[Yellow Snow]

Quite frankly, I agree with the essence of your post. Play calling changed significantly after half time, IMO---must more of a pass first/run second approach vs the opposite which had been so successful during the first half. Why? I can't figure that one out. I think the play which defined the difference is when we had 3rd & 1 on our 40 yard line in the 4th quarter and we passed on 3rd down, then ran on 4th and didn't get the first down. Absolutely upside down. Is there anyone who really thinks that Thomas wouldn't be able to get the 1 yard on 3rd down?

My thinking is that the 2nd half performance by the coaching staff might just be the death knell for this coaching staff.

It confuses me when people call out ONE or TWO play calls that they think sucked after they don't work. I'm not saying the calls were stellar but I don't know either way. They didn't work.

What DID work was Bundrage alligatoring a TD pass and Lanning overthrowing Montgomery by 10 yards that would have been a TD otherwise. Were those good play calls? They didn't work either.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

If I were playing us I would throw the 10 yard out every play. Then once we actually stop that play just throw it deep against any corner you like. You will catch it. Our corners are coached so poorly I can barely watch us play anymore.

 

[brianhos]

Disagree, that was a great performance against a top 10 team.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

If you are going to compare coaching, wouldn't you have to agree that our coaches clearly outcoahed theirs for 57 minutes? After all, they are obviosly the bigger, faster and more talented team.

We out-played them for a quarter. Emotion is CPR's only play.

Bigger, faster, more talented? They are the better team, and a big, big part of that is coaching.

 

[cycfan]

We out-played them for a quarter. Emotion is CPR's only play.

Bigger, faster, more talented? They are the better team, and a big, big part of that is coaching.

Thanks for making my point. They are the better team and ISU lead from the first possession until 3 min left. How is that being "outcoached in every way."

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

How is it being out coached? How about the 20th **** down our leg loss on Rhoads tenure. Just keep running more umbrella coverages Rhoads. Its working SO well. Also lets put our shortest defender against their tallest receiver and really shift the safeties too so the poor kid really has chance to make a play. Don't forget to let them catch the ball before you make a break on their routes too.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

And yet you completely gloss over the one fact that matters: 8-26 in years 5, 6, and 7.

What are we looking at now in terms of pay per win for Rhoads over these past 3 seasons? Not sure I even want to do the math on that....

 

[cycfan]

How is it being out coached? How about the 20th **** down our leg loss on Rhoads tenure. Just keep running more umbrella coverages Rhoads. Its working SO well. Also lets put our shortest defender against their tallest receiver and really shift the safeties too so the poor kid really has chance to make a play. Don't forget to let them catch the ball before you make a break on their routes too.

WOW, you sound like you know A LOT about coaching! Like maybe you are an assistant on a peewee flag football team. Color me IMPRESSED!

 

[bawbie]

We had 104 yards of total offense in the second half. 307 in the first half. We were out coached in the second half.

But we clearly out coached them in the first half...

 

[dmclone]

Rhoads will be back after a 4 win season and should have been fired last year. Nothing to see here.

 

[IAStubborn]

Embarrassing second half from our coaches. Not our players, but our coaches.

Totally dominated by Mike Gundy and his staff.

I'm sad that our players are stuck with these guys wearing the headsets. This was a game that our players put themselves in a position to win in the first half, and our coaches did nothing to help them in the second.

Ready for JP to clean house and give us a chance again.

Yeah, sorry but you are showing some cards here. This was one of the better coached games we have had. Okie State is salty and find ways to win but to say it wasn't coach I n that put us in position in the first place is dumb. Yes they made adjustments but unlike mangino so did we. It wasn't enough but this loss isn't on in game coaching.

 

[cyatheart]

I'm so sick of this witch hunt. Ok st is a lot better than we are, just stop it. Complain about the third down defense if you want and the 3rd down play call but that's it. Is it the coaches fault they stole 4 points from us to?

Sometimes the better team wins, and that's what happened today. C

 

[NetflixAndClone]

I'm so sick of this witch hunt. Ok st is a lot better than we are, just stop it. Complain about the third down defense if you want and the 3rd down play call but that's it. Is it the coaches fault they stole 4 points from us to?

Sometimes the better team wins, and that's what happened today. C

this is the mentality I absolutely hate in some Iowa state fans. We were clearly the better team today but our coaches ****** the game down their leg. Oklahoma state is a good team but they should've been beaten.

is this what our fan base came to? Accepting being a doormat and nothing better. College football is a lot about the coaching. I bet if you gave nick saban Iowa state and Paul Rhoads Alabama, Paul Rhoads would find a way to lose.

 

[Wesley]

Do any of you nimrods realize that OSU is undefeated and #8? Sure, we could have had a better second half, but I can't find fault with much other than the outcome.

Over rated.

 

[DurangoCy]

I'm not doubting there are things the staff could do different. What I am refuting are the babies that week after week 100% blame coaching when there were brilliant coaching moves to put ISU in position to win. And there are facts there in the 2nd half were coaches had the players in a spot to win and the players didn't come thru.

By week after week, do you mean 26 out of the last 34 weeks? If so, then yes I agree with you that there are a lot of things that the coaches could do differently over the last 3 years.