Oklahoma Dual

Oklahoma, Okie St, Nebraska, Missouri, ISU -there was a time the conference was stacked. It was brutal having to wrestle one another and than through in Iowa, Minnesota, Midlands, National Duals, etc. there wasn't anywhere to run and Coach Douglas and his staff did it for a reason - so we were ready coming post season. There were many times you'd look at the dual meet program and see two teams with majority, if not all, the matches against ranked guys. It was "fun" but if you didn't want to face that schedule or competition than are you in the right program.

So much has changed but the tradition, history, and expectations at ISU shouldn't. You need to understand the history behind the program, you need to hear stories about guys like Carl Adams, Dan Gable, Ben Peterson, Taylor, Hummel, Duschen, Gibbons, Carr, Anderson, Nichols, and the long long list goes on. There is a ton of pride. With the tradition and success comes pressure which is good! That's why you came to ISU to hopefully become one of those guys who built the program.
As you know, the history is longer than that, but it wasn't that long ago there would be 4 or 5 Big 12 programs ranked not just in the top twenty, but the top 10 or 12.

One "positive" of Cael going to Penn State, perhaps, is that there is much more parity. For awhile it was really UI on top, with only Minnesota, mostly, challenging. And maybe OSU or ISU here and there. I put "positive" in quotes, as it is not a given that with time Cael would not have eclipsed UI had he remained at ISU.

I also recall the very tough schedules ISU wrestled under Coach Douglas. I don't recall exactly what years, but more recently, I recall similarly tough schedules, and the thought posted here or elsewhere that perhaps we should also wrestle some easier teams, to build confidence and wins and whatnot. I don't necessarily have a problem with this. Not to begrudge the success of SDSU and others on our current roster, the problem is that the dual and overall success isn't better now.

When considering wrestling versus other sports -- sports that are not football or men's basketball -- IMO people should consider the economic concept of "comparative advantage."

That is the technical term that comes into play when thinking about free trade.

One thing about wrestling, it is a sport that ISU has a natural competitive advantage in. When baseball was about to be dropped, for example, you could to say that ISU was at a disadvantage compared to the southern schools, which includes quite a few in the Big 12. When Iowa Western, which has a long history of being good at baseball, for example, started winning JUCO World Series a few years ago, it was the first northern program to win the JUCO World Series in something like 40 years or more.

Wrestling is a "northern" sport in that the climate is generally irrelevant, or in a comparative way, a positive as something people might watch or do on a cold winter night. Iowa high schools have a long history with wrestling. And it is also something an individual or two can do well, even if they are at a small high school and may not have a lot of other good wrestlers on the team.

The Big 12 will probably continue to have a few top wrestling programs, such as OSU and Oklahoma today. With conference realignment uncertainty, I would add, wrestling is a sport that fits right into the Big 10 as to team competition, if things were such that if ISU were ever to become a member of that conference. No program is more positioned in the middle of Big 12 and Big 10 country, which are long the two best wrestling conferences. Plus, ISU by itself has a strong wrestling history and tradition.

Finally, I see that the attendance for the UI-tOSU meet last night was over 10,000. If ISU were a powerhouse again, there is some potential upside there.

I'm not interested in starting an argument, and I am a big fan of baseball.

I am just pointing out some factors people ought to consider in evaluating which sports ISU has a greater chance of success. The economic concept of "comparative advantage" is something people like President Leath and JP ought to be explicitly knowledgeable of, and think about in this context.
 
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Okie whipped us last year, fired their coach then whipped us again this year. Great.
 
That quote from Pollard is simply not true, and he knows it. All she wanted in order to stay at ISU was for the Beyer Hall gymnastics area to be air conditioned. That's it.
A new facility suitable for Div. 1 gymnastics (which Beyer was not, and still is not) is what she desired down the line, as part of a facilities strategic plan.
Ask any of those who knew KJ Kindler here, or any parents of gymnasts who were enrolled in her academy. It's not a secret.
 
Will Downey wrestle against OSU? Should I bring my family and buy tickets to this match or will all the good ISU wrestlers be sitting out?

It will be a beat down anyway, but I would be worth it for the individual matchups at 25, 33, 74, and 84. If guys wrestle.
 
Will Downey wrestle against OSU? Should I bring my family and buy tickets to this match or will all the good ISU wrestlers be sitting out?

It will be a beat down anyway, but I would be worth it for the individual matchups at 25, 33, 74, and 84. If guys wrestle.

It's practice, downey himself said so himself. In fact he tweeted "save your money". I'm sure Pollard would like hearing that. The effort the team puts out doesn't show any respect for their fans.
 
A parent of a wrestler should never call out his son's team on a message board!!!
Yeah, says who; you? Give me a break. You guys on here bash my son and his coach and this team every freaking day. As soon as I speak my peace...which all of you are thinking, anyway, you feel the need to lecture me. Save it, pal.
 
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It's practice, downey himself said so himself. In fact he tweeted "save your money". I'm sure Pollard would like hearing that. The effort the team puts out doesn't show any respect for their fans.
I'm sure Pollard has already connected the dots, himself. You politically correct guys are really special...afraid to speak the truth. I don't know if he'll wrestle tomorrow anymore than the rest of you. Ask KJ.
 
Yeah, says who; you? Give me a break. You guys on here bash my son and his coach and this team every freaking day. As soon as I speak my peace...which all of you are thinking, anyway, you feel the need to lecture me. Save it, pal.

No offense, But I have not once bashed your son or KJ on this board. There is far to much of that.
 
Yeah, says who; you? Give me a break. You guys on here bash my son and his coach and this team every freaking day. As soon as I speak my peace...which all of you are thinking, anyway, you feel the need to lecture me. Save it, pal.
I'll speak my mind about KJ because I been a season ticket holder for 10 years.
The duration he has been here, his teams have gotten worse the longer he has been here. And when you have a dual team record with only one win and the kids have no desire to even be on the mat, your damn right I'm going to speak my mind. Not taking anythingaway from the kid but when Carson Powell is the guy that was hands down the best wrestler of the night, that's saying something. I'm not here to bash your kid because I don't have any reason to but this is the worse team ISU has put on the mat for quite some time and guess what, KJ is guy that's leading the charge.
 
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I'll speak my mind about KJ because I been a season ticket holder for 10 years.
The duration he has been here, his teams have gotten worse the longer he has been here.

No, they haven't. This year is the first year in some time I can remember the team taking a step back. That being said, the season isn't over.

However, it's clear to me you and the rest of the Loser Brigade have been rooting for the coach's failure (and by extension, the team's) for at least several years, if not longer. Our performance in duals this year has actually been subpar. I hope you're satisfied.
 
No, they haven't. This year is the first year in some time I can remember the team taking a step back. That being said, the season isn't over.

However, it's clear to me you and the rest of the Loser Brigade have been rooting for the coach's failure (and by extension, the team's) for at least several years, if not longer. Our performance in duals this year has actually been subpar. I hope you're satisfied.

Kevin, thanks for your input, but don't you have a team to coach? Peak in March!!!
 
Yeah, says who; you? Give me a break. You guys on here bash my son and his coach and this team every freaking day. As soon as I speak my peace...which all of you are thinking, anyway, you feel the need to lecture me. Save it, pal.
Buf is just about the most loyal an ISU fan that you can find, at least the way I've seen it anyway. I've never seen him say anything negative about your son on any board and he's one of the few guys who has stuck by KJ the last couple of years
 
If you aren't competing to win these matches that is pretty low. I can see holding a guy out here and there but the ones on the floor have to give maximum effort. And even if you finish Top 5 this year what are people going to remember? The worst dual record in ISU history or the Top 5 national finish.
With all due respect, I don't think a top 20 finish, let alone top 5, is at all realistic this year. Wish I was wrong.
 
That quote from Pollard is simply not true, and he knows it. All she wanted in order to stay at ISU was for the Beyer Hall gymnastics area to be air conditioned. That's it.
A new facility suitable for Div. 1 gymnastics (which Beyer was not, and still is not) is what she desired down the line, as part of a facilities strategic plan.
Ask any of those who knew KJ Kindler here, or any parents of gymnasts who were enrolled in her academy. It's not a secret.

I had Biology 109 with her back in the day. She was a total babe. Oh, and she knew it.
 

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