*** Official Kansas State vs #23 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[Cardinal2001]

Ah, the PurpleKittyCam view! Let em have it, Cyclone Alley!

 

[ZRF]

It's probably a lot more complex though, because TJ isn't an idiot. Ward could be in foul trouble, not playing well in the moment, Bob in a groove, etc.

Also, Ward just started playing full time minutes recently, because he was on a slight restriction, which also throws a wrench into things.

Also on this subject, I thought playing BOB over Ward for much of the last 3 minutes was a huge mistake as was Watson not being on the floor for part of it. At least TJ realized, in the last 30 seconds, to have Ward come back into the game. It's not really about BOB, as it is the abilities of Ward. He's a shot blocke, shot alterer, and has a greater ability to cover ground/weak side help. He's also better at defending the perimeter when put in that decision.

I'd like to see Ward be able to play 30 minutes a game. It's scary to think what he could do with that many minutes. And if he could develop a short range jump, hook, or turnaround? He'd be lethal.

 

[t-noah]

Again, reading is fundamental.

So is brevity and not pontificating. Why is this so hard?

Seems like an OK position to have. Nothing really controversial. No one here should expect that TJ is always making the right decisions, in real-time or in hindsight. It is perfectly OK to share a bit of frustration that TJ's teams have lost (or almost lost) some huge leads in the past couple of season. It is actually even OK to b*tch about it a little bit, as that's what passionate fans do - they b*tch about stuff that they have no control over in any way. I actually think it is kind of silly that fans imply things like "I trust the coach to make the right decisions!" Cyclone fans are especially clingy and dorky about coaches and the overarching "defending" of coaches, like they are family member. The only thing we can even realistically hope to 'trust' about our coach is that A) TJ wants to win, badly, and B) He's watching way more tape than any of us could ever dream of, and learning from his coaching decisions (and mistakes) and applying those learnings in the future.

Thanks for the post. I may have been a bit hard on ZRF with my post, but I'll stand by it. I have been criticized by stuff I've said and posted, in the past, and that has made be a better poster, I hope. It's made me think and look to see other's perspectives.

ZRF does make good points, often, and has well thought out analysis. On the other hand, it often gets a little overdone, wordy and repetitive. I sometimes find myself skipping over his posts because they are so long. And longer than normal posts aren't bad at times, necessarily, but his are routinely so.

I hope he can take that criticism, as I do like reading what he has to say, to a point.

 

[ZRF]

Thanks for the post. I may have been a bit hard on ZRF with my post, but I'll stand by it. I have been criticized by stuff I've said and posted, in the past, and that has made be a better poster, I hope. It's made me think and look to see other's perspectives.

ZRF does make good points, often, and has well thought out analysis. On the other hand, it often gets a little overdone, wordy and repetitive. I sometimes find myself skipping over his posts because they are so long. And longer than normal posts aren't bad at times, necessarily, but his are routinely so.

I hope he can take that criticism, as I do like reading what he has to say, to a point.

Haha, that's accurate and fair. Some of that's by nature, and some of that is due to a headache issue I have (messed up trigeminal nerve...long story) that affects my concentration. Not as good at going A to B as I used to be.

 

[Tailg8er]

Haha, that's accurate and fair. Some of that's by nature, and some of that is due to a headache issue I have (messed up trigeminal nerve...long story) that affects my concentration. Not as good at going A to B as I used to be.

Very concise post, nicely done!

 

[VeloClone]

FWIW, obviously it's not a direct cause and effect... but generally speaking, forcing 27 turnovers skews the defensive rebounding numbers a bit because it way less opportunities to secure a defensive rebound.

In fact, Jamie Dixon dismissed their rebounding advantage in his postgame, citing that very reason.

And, like you said, replacing Lipsey with Curtis Jones and Pav are was also a huge factor.

But didn't TJ go bigger some during that game? So wasn't Lipsey replaced by Watson - whose minutes went up quite a bit - during some of the game?

 

[ISU4Life]

 

[Statefan10]

Also on this subject, I thought playing BOB over Ward for much of the last 3 minutes was a huge mistake as was Watson not being on the floor for part of it. At least TJ realized, in the last 30 seconds, to have Ward come back into the game. It's not really about BOB, as it is the abilities of Ward. He's a shot blocke, shot alterer, and has a greater ability to cover ground/weak side help. He's also better at defending the perimeter when put in that decision.

I'd like to see Ward be able to play 30 minutes a game. It's scary to think what he could do with that many minutes. And if he could develop a short range jump, hook, or turnaround? He'd be lethal.

Watson actually played quite a bit down the stretch. He only came out for about a couple minutes there but was on the floor for the last 1:30. Ward got brought out with his 4 fouls right before the under 4 TO and then was brought back in not long after.

 

[rosshm16]

Lipsey expected to play:

 

[madguy30]

Watson actually played quite a bit down the stretch. He only came out for about a couple minutes there but was on the floor for the last 1:30. Ward got brought out with his 4 fouls right before the under 4 TO and then was brought back in not long after.

You're writing in realistic terms and not linear like things should just happen and sports is a video game.

 

[madguy30]

Lipsey expected to play:

Great as long as he's able to really go.

Honestly I was kind of looking forward to how things would go without him again just to see how those guys progress.

 

[cyatheart]

Thanks for the reminder of how spoiled I was to be a student for all 5 of Hoiberg's years, while my brother had to suffer through McD.

That was a fun game.

 

[ZRF]

Watson actually played quite a bit down the stretch. He only came out for about a couple minutes there but was on the floor for the last 1:30. Ward got brought out with his 4 fouls right before the under 4 TO and then was brought back in not long after.

I wish there was a game log where I could verify the subs and exact timing, bur Ik fairly certain Ward was on the bench until about the last 30 seconds. I'm aware he had 4 fouls but always think it's senseless, when late in the game, to arbitrarily limit a player's minutes. By doing so you are artificially guaranteeing they are playing the least amount of minutes possible. I've never understood that line of thinking.

 

[ZRF]

Great as long as he's able to really go.

Honestly I was kind of looking forward to how things would go without him again just to see how those guys progress.

I kind of agree with you. As long as we win the game, I kind of wanted to see if Saturday was a "fluke" or if we have the ability to play well, consistently, without Lipsey.

Also I wanted him healthy for Saturday when I will be there. I think it's much more imperative to have him against KU than KSU tonight.

Here praying for an injury free night.

 

[RagingCloner]

Seems like more than normal are selling their tickets tonight. Weird.

Its an 8 PM game. stop trying to read into things too much and stir the pot

 

[ZRF]

But didn't TJ go bigger some during that game? So wasn't Lipsey replaced by Watson - whose minutes went up quite a bit - during some of the game?

Yes. If not directly, than indirectly from the available minutes being dispersed with lineup combos.

 

[ZRF]

Its an 8 PM game. stop trying to read into things too much and stir the pot

He's right. Not stirring the pot but some don't want to deal with the fog, especially on the way home.

 

[HFCS]

Thanks for the post. I may have been a bit hard on ZRF with my post, but I'll stand by it. I have been criticized by stuff I've said and posted, in the past, and that has made be a better poster, I hope. It's made me think and look to see other's perspectives.

ZRF does make good points, often, and has well thought out analysis. On the other hand, it often gets a little overdone, wordy and repetitive. I sometimes find myself skipping over his posts because they are so long. And longer than normal posts aren't bad at times, necessarily, but his are routinely so.

I hope he can take that criticism, as I do like reading what he has to say, to a point.

You weren't at all, not even slightly. I posted some statistical data (not even replying to him) and got "you can't read" twice. Some screws are loose.

College basketball doesn't have enough talent that players with a higher than 20.0 PER are "liabilities" to use his word.

FWIW if you look at a multitude of advanced stats Tamin is probably #2 in Big 12 behind Shead (Houston)...Rob lands in the top 10 and top 20 of the entire 14 team conference a lot more than people would guess.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Great as long as he's able to really go.

Honestly I was kind of looking forward to how things would go without him again just to see how those guys progress.

The TCU game definitely showed the other guys that they could be the ones making winning plays. If everyone plays like that with Tamin back, we're not losing.

 

[CyPunch]

Appears student attendance will not be a problem tonight