***OFFICIAL BIG12 EXPANSION THREAD***

[MIClone]

While we're making this move, they should be thinking 12 teams rather than 10, maybe even 14 teams. BYU would be a great add; so would Arkansas. If we don't get either, I'd like to see Northern Illinois and Colorado State added to the North and TCU added to the south. NIU and CSU would bring in serious television markets. I can't believe NIU hasn't been in discussion. Their stadium is about the same size as Houston's and SMU's and they bring in a Chicago market. I like CSU for the athletic/acedemic combination. But BYU should easily bump them, if we could get them. But imagine 14 teams with BYU, CSU, and NIU joining the north and Arkansas and TCU joining the south. This A&M thing may turn out to be an opportunity.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Ark. Isn't leaving the SEC.

NIU delivers no TV market...N I Who?

 

[MIClone]

Ark. Isn't leaving the SEC.

NIU delivers no TV market...N I Who?

I don't think Arkansas is leaving either and I don't think BYU will join. But why exactly doesn't NIU bring a Chicago market if TCU is supposed to bring a Dallas market? I know that NIU isn't IN Chicago, but it's very close and most of it's students come from Chicago.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Won't happen. It is a media dream. Government will lift tax-exempt status immediately AND NCAA will restrict access to the basketball tournament.

Not to mention every FBS team has to have some sort of a shot at the National title. Utah cam close to pushing that issue a few years ago and if BCS bowls are only played by teams in superconferences when there are numerous cases of undefeated non BCS teams, there will be lawsuits. I am of the belief that superconferences will in fact, give someone like an ISU a better case because there is a greater chance we go undefeated while these other teams beat themselves up. Like I said, after awhile there would be lawsuits. I don't see them happening and for the life of me, I can't understand why the power programs would want it to happen.

 

[InCytful]

Not to mention every FBS team has to have some sort of a shot at the National title. Utah cam close to pushing that issue a few years ago and if BCS bowls are only played by teams in superconferences when there are numerous cases of undefeated non BCS teams, there will be lawsuits. I am of the belief that superconferences will in fact, give someone like an ISU a better case because there is a greater chance we go undefeated while these other teams beat themselves up. Like I said, after awhile there would be lawsuits. I don't see them happening and for the life of me, I can't understand why the power programs would want it to happen.

They don't want it to happen. Pac 12 pushed things to the brink last year, as it is in their interest since the further west of the Mississippi you go, the less media coverage you get unless you are USC or Oregon, and even then it is debatable that they get as much attention as Big 10 or SEC. If SEC wanted 16 teams or Big 10, they'd have them. Pac 12 wanted that and couldn't seal the deal.

 

[Wesley]

never would leave the Big10.

the end.

How about Minnesota State and Coach?

 

[Wesley]

If it goes to 4-16 team super conferences, I think we should just start a leftover conference going. The left out teams, and the best of the mid-majors. That can be just as powerful as the Big East is now. Will make about half the money of the other conferences, but we already do that now in the Big 12.

The thing I don't get is that some of these teams are gonna have to have major fall offs in their programs. Nebraska, Iowa, or Michigan could be one of those, I don't think they can all be good at the same time, a couple teams in the SEC are gonna win less games than they used too. Some teams with traditions are not gonna be able to keep up with more competition within their conference. That means more exposure for the tops teams of that 5th conference, and a chance to take over schools in their state. (Ex ISU) A 5th conference with the leftovers would definitely have to be reckoned with, and given a spot in any playoff scenario .

We could call it America's Conference, home of the downtrodden but resilient warriors.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Best scenario I've heard would be to add BYU, Pitt and Louisville. I think that's the most likely and beneficial to everybody involved.

 

[CydeKick]

How many posts until this is the longest thread on CF?!

 

[Boxerdaddy]

How many posts until this is the longest thread on CF?!

It's good to have goals. By the time its settled this may take the record!

 

[Cyched]

4-1-Zoo: Pitt, Big 12 Rumors Surface « CBS Pittsburgh

 

[cyclones500]

4-1-Zoo: Pitt, Big 12 Rumors Surface « CBS Pittsburgh

Interesting. Sounds premature, but interesting.

Big 12 "interested in Notre Dame, Arkansas, BYU and Pitt."

I haven't had time to read much after the "A&M will leave" news, as I post this ... would SEC go to 14? Or would they be OK "trading" for A&M? That's the only way Arkansas would join the Big 12, I think.

Unlikely as it is, three of those four listed above makes 12 again. Of course, OU & OSU might bolt, too, and Big 12 would look to stay at 10, probably w/ BYU and possibly Pitt.

Far too much uncertainty to guess anything at this point.

 

[CyFan61]

4-1-Zoo: Pitt, Big 12 Rumors Surface « CBS Pittsburgh

Hey, check this out!

Of the Big 12′s reported targets, Pitt would seem to be rather attainable. Notre Dame has consistently expressed that it doesn’t want conference affiliation unless the landscape of college football changes drastically, which doesn’t appear imminent. Arkansas is firmly entrenched in the SEC, and there might be little reason to move from such a lucrative conference.

Razorbacks to the Big XII is just a matter of time!

 

[shadow]

I'm surprised no one has brought up West Virginia, Pitt's bitter rival. Major football and basketball programs with AD's revenues around $58 million...

Though I'm not sure the Big 12 wants to totally destroy the Big East (taking more than one would probably do it) or at least be responsible for it...

Though if BYU and whoever else didn't come aboard for whatever reason, I wouldn't mind taking Louisville, Pitt, and West Virginia from the Big East. New conference might look something like this:

Baylor
Texas
Texas Tech
OSU
KSU
ISU

L-ville
Pitt
WVU
OU
KU
Mizzou,

Not spectacular like a BYU or ND, but it would be solid. And a helluva a lot better than some of the other schools being suggested (hint: teams from the MAC, WAC, Sun Belt, C-USA, and most from the Mountain West are not B12 caliber)...

 

[Cydwinder]

I'm surprised no one has brought up West Virginia, Pitt's bitter rival. Major football and basketball programs with AD's revenues around $58 million...

Though I'm not sure the Big 12 wants to totally destroy the Big East (taking more than one would probably do it) or at least be responsible for it...

Though if BYU and whoever else didn't come aboard for whatever reason, I wouldn't mind taking Louisville, Pitt, and West Virginia from the Big East. New conference might look something like this:

Baylor
Texas
Texas Tech
OSU
KSU
ISU

L-ville
Pitt
WVU
OU
KU
Mizzou,

Not spectacular like a BYU or ND, but it would be solid. And a helluva a lot better than some of the other schools being suggested (hint: teams from the MAC, WAC, Sun Belt, C-USA, and most from the Mountain West are not B12 caliber)...

Not sure why you split up KU and K-State here. I think if you swap KU and ISU you would have a solid split in east and west.
Also I don't think taking 3 teams would necessarily be the end of the Big East. It would probably cause them to go after UCF, ECU, Houston, etc. This would be my guess if the Big 12 took 3 Big East teams anyway.

 

[CyBroncos]

I know independence isn't an easy thing to jump into but here's BYU's home schedules the next 2 years

2011 - San Jose State, Idaho, Idaho State, UCF, Utah, Utah State, New Mexico St.
2012 - Weber State, Utah State, Oregon State, Idaho, Hawaii

Wow, if I was a BYU fan that would make me want to run out and buy season tickets. Joining the Big 12 would not only increase their TV revenue but also bolster their schedule. They could keep the Utah game non conference and have the Big 12 bowl tie-ins. I can't see why they'd want to stay independent

 

[cyclones500]

I know independence isn't an easy thing to jump into but here's BYU's home schedules the next 2 years

2011 - San Jose State, Idaho, Idaho State, UCF, Utah, Utah State, New Mexico St.
2012 - Weber State, Utah State, Oregon State, Idaho, Hawaii

Wow, if I was a BYU fan that would make me want to run out and buy season tickets. Joining the Big 12 would not only increase their TV revenue but also bolster their schedule. They could keep the Utah game non conference and have the Big 12 bowl tie-ins. I can't see why they'd want to stay independent

Is that seriously BYU's schedule?

As you said, it's transitional — but, geez. It's like they re-joined the WAC.

This could be a good thing — a move to independence, with a hush-hush "let's see what happens with Big 12 defections," and then we're set."

In which case, it's brilliant.

 

[hawkfan]

Why are we taking hits away from the original TAMU thread?

 

[jdoggivjc]

I don't think Arkansas is leaving either and I don't think BYU will join. But why exactly doesn't NIU bring a Chicago market if TCU is supposed to bring a Dallas market? I know that NIU isn't IN Chicago, but it's very close and most of it's students come from Chicago.

I love how this has to be explained every single day...

NIU doesn't give anybody the Chicago market because most people in Chicago couldn't even tell you where DeKalb IS, much less that there's a school named Northern Illinois University located there. Chicago only cares about Notre Dame and the Big 10, particularly Wisconsin, Illinois, and Northwestern (solely because it's located there). That's it. Bumping NIU up to BCS won't cause people to give a **** about either NIU or the Big 12. If the Big 12 truly wants Chicago market penetration they have to do the unthinkable and add ND or raid the Big 10, both of which are extremely unlikely.

See, what people who are just throwing names of schools out there don't get is presence in the market doesn't give you the market - people in the market have to care. It's the major reason why NIU or Memphis or (name your Texas school) to the Big 12 and Rutgers and/or Syracuse to the Big 10 is a bad idea - yeah, they're ideally located to a market that neither conference has acquired yet, however, adding that school in that market doesn't give the conference that market because nobody in that market CARES.

If the Big 12 is adding a Memphis or Houston or NIU, it's because Texas and Oklahoma left and the conference is in survival mode and a severely degraded level of relevance is deemed preferable to becoming extinct.

By the way, TCU doesn't give ANYBODY the Dallas market, especially not the Big 12, especially since it already owns it with Texas and OU. TCU is attractive to the Big East because of it's recent success and "opening" of Texas recruits to the Big East.

 

[ruxCYtable]

While we're making this move, they should be thinking 12 teams rather than 10, maybe even 14 teams. BYU would be a great add; so would Arkansas. If we don't get either, I'd like to see Northern Illinois and Colorado State added to the North and TCU added to the south. NIU and CSU would bring in serious television markets. I can't believe NIU hasn't been in discussion. Their stadium is about the same size as Houston's and SMU's and they bring in a Chicago market. I like CSU for the athletic/acedemic combination. But BYU should easily bump them, if we could get them. But imagine 14 teams with BYU, CSU, and NIU joining the north and Arkansas and TCU joining the south. This A&M thing may turn out to be an opportunity.

NIU, seriously? You want to bring in a team that can't fill a crappy 30,000 seat stadium and has very little history of success, even at a lower level? There was a thread on NIU's board about how if the Big XII collapsed it would be the MAC's dream to get ISU and how they'd be the class of the MAC with their facilities. That should tell you something about where NIU is at and where they should stay.