***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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Instead of expanding what I wish the Big 12 would do is go out and make a deal with the ACC/SEC/Big 10 and Pac 12. Tell them we will go to four superconferences of 16 and dissolve the Big 12 if they take all 10 teams in our league and split them up into those four conferences. Currently it would take those conferences 10 more teams to each get to 16. The Pac needs 4, the ACC needs 2, the Big Ten needs 2, and the SEC needs 2. Doing this assures all of our members long term stability and it locks out UConn, Cincinnati, BYU etc instead of KSU/ISU/Baylor should the Big 12 dissolve further down the line.

Stupid idea. Also...don't come on our board and talk like ISU is on the outside looking in but KU has a place at the table. That's pompous and arrogant. Big 12 is the best place for us all.
 
Looks like BYU might be joining the Mountain West again...

BYU to MWC goes from being rumor to confirmed report & more - Mountain West Connection

If true, Boise rejoined with the condition that San Diego State got in before anybody else, so that'd push MWC to a 13 team league with Boise, SDSU, and BYU. Houston and/or SMU to join as #14 (or 15)?

I can't see Navy joining the Big East now that the league is on the brink of going away and there is nobody left for the Big East to invite that is half-way worthy of an invite...Realignment wheel spins on until the Big10 and SEC decide to end it someday.
 
They won't be when they have to start paying for the Yum Center which is hemorrhaging money.

I always love when people try to make this point as if it matters. Not only does no one care how much money the athletic department is claiming (AD's have a lot of freedom in how they disclose their books), it legitimately holds exactly zero weight.

Louisville posting those numbers all over the place is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig.

Baloney. The financial numbers submitted to EADA are used (among other submitted data) to determine compliance with Title IX. The AD's can't go submitting whatever the hec they want on that report to make the AD look good, unless they want to risk fines/punishment should the Feds/NCAA determine that the numbers are fudged.

Of course AD revenue matters. No major conference is going to ask a school to join if that school doesn't have the revenue to support the minimum level of facilities that the conference deems necessary, no matter what potential TV market that school may have.
 
Baloney. The financial numbers submitted to EADA are used (among other submitted data) to determine compliance with Title IX. The AD's can't go submitting whatever the hec they want on that report to make the AD look good, unless they want to risk fines/punishment should the Feds/NCAA determine that the numbers are fudged.

Of course AD revenue matters. No major conference is going to ask a school to join if that school doesn't have the revenue to support the minimum level of facilities that the conference deems necessary, no matter what potential TV market that school may have.
The Big 10 just took two teams in the black. Numbers can be cooked up very easily. Duke basketball lost money in 2010, yet Duke basketball brings more to a conference than ISU basketball.
 
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Baloney. The financial numbers submitted to EADA are used (among other submitted data) to determine compliance with Title IX. The AD's can't go submitting whatever the hec they want on that report to make the AD look good, unless they want to risk fines/punishment should the Feds/NCAA determine that the numbers are fudged.

Of course AD revenue matters. No major conference is going to ask a school to join if that school doesn't have the revenue to support the minimum level of facilities that the conference deems necessary, no matter what potential TV market that school may have.

Maryland can't afford to gas up the team bus yet they somehow managed to land in the B10. Your argument is false.
 
Maryland can't afford to gas up the team bus yet they somehow managed to land in the B10. Your argument is false.

Maryland can afford to gas up the team bus, but just not for all of the sports they once supported. Maryland may presently be losing money, but their gross revenue is still sufficient to allow them to compete in the Big Ten. Granted their revenue will be at the lower end of the Big Ten, but not the lowest. And the cash infusion from the Big Ten will help them out nicely.
 
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We need to expand, I understand the whole making more money with ten and do not bring in teams that do not add to the pot thing. In the end I just do not want the Big Twelve on the outside looking in again. Once Maryland knows what they will pay teams and conferences will make decisions quickly.
 
Looks like the Big 12 is trying to get the NCAA to play a title game. I think this is a good idea but its more posturing waiting till the Maryland lawsuit is decided so that the B1G and SEC and hopefully the Big 12 can go to the ACC schools they want and get them to join. I agree I don't think Navy stays in agreement with Big East
 
Baloney. The financial numbers submitted to EADA are used (among other submitted data) to determine compliance with Title IX. The AD's can't go submitting whatever the hec they want on that report to make the AD look good, unless they want to risk fines/punishment should the Feds/NCAA determine that the numbers are fudged.

Of course AD revenue matters. No major conference is going to ask a school to join if that school doesn't have the revenue to support the minimum level of facilities that the conference deems necessary, no matter what potential TV market that school may have.

Maryland called to tell you that you failed. They would know.
 
Instead of expanding what I wish the Big 12 would do is go out and make a deal with the ACC/SEC/Big 10 and Pac 12. Tell them we will go to four superconferences of 16 and dissolve the Big 12 if they take all 10 teams in our league and split them up into those four conferences. Currently it would take those conferences 10 more teams to each get to 16. The Pac needs 4, the ACC needs 2, the Big Ten needs 2, and the SEC needs 2. Doing this assures all of our members long term stability and it locks out UConn, Cincinnati, BYU etc instead of KSU/ISU/Baylor should the Big 12 dissolve further down the line.

If Delaney got hit by a truck the world would be better for everyone. Well, except for Delaney who would be in hell. He's not making deals with conferences, he's dictating.
 
I made this little chart on the current 124 teams based solely on geography. Then each of the 12 conference champions would play in a seeded tourney. I think the games we'd see if this were the case would be phenomenal.
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I made this little chart on the current 124 teams based solely on geography. Then each of the 12 conference champions would play in a seeded tourney. I think the games we'd see if this were the case would be phenomenal.
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I saw this on here awhile back. I think the only thing he does better is that he aligns the groupings North-South to let everyone get to good recruiting grounds and has a little more parity. Nice ideas either way.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/161357-my-fix-college-football.html
 
A few realignment reads for anyone who cares. If not, then move along...right now its all for entertainment value.

1. Summary article of a 4 part Series from Mr SEC. Good stuff if you have the time to read it all. Basically says expect superconferences sooner rather than later with the B10/SEC willing to go 18 or 20 if it makes more money.

http://www.mrsec.com/2013/01/big-bang-theories-the-countdown-to-super-conferences-part-4/

2. Frank the Tank gives a few random realignment tidbits, but basically says that he thinks realignment is all just chatter for the near future. Also, expect Creighton in the new Catholic 7 league

FRANK THE TANK'S SLANT

3. One link quoted in the above is from the Chicago Tribune, quoting some who say that the B10 is going to 18 teams.

Northwestern football: Northwestern officials excited about shifting structure of Big Ten, college football - Chicago Tribune

4. Some are looking back to the start of this whole mess back in 2010 where Delany may be targeting a 20 team Big 10 from the start

A 20-team Big Ten? Really? | CollegeFootballTalk
 
What we believe will happen: At some point the Big XII will grow to at least 12 schools. And if other leagues start collecting schools like trading cards, Bowlsby will have to keep up (even though he won’t see the same financial benefit of those other leagues without his own network). If/when the Big Bang comes, here’s guessing the Big XII becomes a 14-school league and then holds (15 if Notre Dame jumps). One other caveat to throw into Big XII’s expansion plans — most of the people we’ve spoken to believe the conference’s grant of rights agreement will indeed prevent schools like Texas or Oklahoma from leaving anytime soon. But would the league tear up the current deal and cut a new one when the new schools joined? Or would those new schools just be rolled into the current agreement? Ask 10 attorneys and you’ll get 10 different answers.
 
Yeah, I see the big 12 at 12 plus ND affiliate in the future also. Not want I want to happen, but that is what I see.
 
A few realignment reads for anyone who cares. If not, then move along...right now its all for entertainment value.

1. Summary article of a 4 part Series from Mr SEC. Good stuff if you have the time to read it all. Basically says expect superconferences sooner rather than later with the B10/SEC willing to go 18 or 20 if it makes more money.

Big Bang Theories: The Countdown To Super-Conferences (Part 4)

2. Frank the Tank gives a few random realignment tidbits, but basically says that he thinks realignment is all just chatter for the near future. Also, expect Creighton in the new Catholic 7 league

FRANK THE TANK'S SLANT

3. One link quoted in the above is from the Chicago Tribune, quoting some who say that the B10 is going to 18 teams.

Northwestern football: Northwestern officials excited about shifting structure of Big Ten, college football - Chicago Tribune

4. Some are looking back to the start of this whole mess back in 2010 where Delany may be targeting a 20 team Big 10 from the start

A 20-team Big Ten? Really? | CollegeFootballTalk

I don't think a 20-team B10 conference is that far=fetched. It would be a "media consortium" and likely operate as 2 10-team conferences or possibly with 4 5-team pods. Both scenarios would easily facilitate 9-game conference scheduling for FB and 18-game scheduling for BB.

If 3 of these consortiums evolve, I would anticipate 8 B12 schools agreeing to merge with the P12 with KU (or ISU) going to the B10 and West Virginia going to the SEC.

The B10 would then grab the 4 AAU schools from the ACC (Duke, UNC, GT, UVa) along with KU and ND (assuming ND would be forced to join a conference in the new superdivision set=up that Mr SEC describes.) The SEC would then add other ACC schools (FSU, Clemson, NC State, VT and either Wake or BC) and West Virginia to get up to 20.

3 20-team conferences have been mentioned by the likes of Gordon Gee and others so don't be shocked if this shakes out.
 
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