I keep reading "eight games isn't going to happen," but why is that the case? Ten teams with nine games each is an inventory of 45 games. Twelve teams with eight games each is an inventory of 48 games. What am I missing here?
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I keep reading "eight games isn't going to happen," but why is that the case? Ten teams with nine games each is an inventory of 45 games. Twelve teams with eight games each is an inventory of 48 games. What am I missing here?
You're missing the point that 12 teams playing 9 games each is 54 games. Also, 9 weeks of Big 12 conference play is better then 8 weeks of conference play.
Really we should be concerned if it's the Forgotten Four all packaged in one easy to jettison pod.
Remember the WAC. This super conference **** ain't going to fly
They May split up the Texas schools to guarantee everyone a game a year in Texas. I see it more like this:
A: KU, KSU, OSU OU, Texas, TCU
B: WVU, FSU, Clemson, Baylor, Tech, ISU
Because, they won't pay us more for 48 games vs 45. And we won't want to dilute everyone's share to bring in a new member.
You could always stagger the games a little so you don't have those early weeks with no conference games. It seems like the SEC, Pac-12, and ACC all do this. But I think you're right, the tv partners would still push for 54 games.
What does the Big 12 having...12 teams again...have to do with super conferences? The Big 12 could add FSU and Clemson and still take a wait and see attitude about 16. 16 is clearly where the Big Ten is going, that's a virtual fact. You don't expand with Maryland and Rutgers if you're staying at 14 forever.
Nobody knows if it'll be successful, but the Big 10 is now a 16 team conference. It's just a matter of time.
My guess is the Big 12 ends up at 14 and the Pac 12 stays at 12, and the SEC and Big 10 are 16 for a decade or so, if 16 is a monster hit then the Big 12 and Pac 12 push to expand even if it means things like New Mexico, Nevada or BYU in the Pac 12. Big East/ACC leftovers are a new conference that's clearly the #5 or #6 league. Some of the mountain/texas teams end up back in the MWC or CUSA.
The most dominant football conference does the following and has shown ZERO signs of stopping:
-8 conference games
-conference games on week one, two and three of the season
-everyone gets a week off near the end of the year against an FCS or Sun Belt team while Big 12 teams knock themselves out of the championship game by playing 9 conference games in a row
Seems to work great for them. Of course some of their strategy could still be done with a 9 game schedule, I don't see why not.
You wouldn't have to split the Texas schools up if you use 9 games and a cross division rival. We'll use ISU as an example, and in this model, you would have the following divisions:
ISU
FSU
Clemson
WVU
KU
KSU
UT
OU
OSU
TTU
Baylor
TCU
Let's say OSU is our cross division rival. 9 game schedule. We would play all 5 teams in our division, and then 4 teams from the other division, with the three non-rivals rotating one new school in every year.
ISU
FSU
Clemson
WVU
KU
KSU
UT
OU
OSU
TTU
Baylor
TCU
Let's say OSU is our cross division rival. 9 game schedule. We would play all 5 teams in our division, and then 4 teams from the other division, with the three non-rivals rotating one new school in every year.
The SEC is exactly who I was thinking of. Honestly with how well that scheduling has worked for them, it's incredible more conferences aren't following suit.
ISU needs to fight for a few things...games in texas, games in florida, and farmageddon. Secondary goal: play old big 8 teams as much as possible.
Not sure how a schedule like that is any harder than this year. Eight bowl teams and bad Kansas. Any future combination of nine conference games is going to be tough.
If we are expanding I like these teams. Without Florida St or Clemson I vote we stay at 10.
Florida St > Clemson > Louisville > Pittsburg > Virginia Tech > Miami > Georgia Tech > North Carolina State > North Carolina
After these teams there I lose interest. BYU, ND, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Cincinnati and all those others don't sound exciting.
Florida St > Clemson > Louisville > Pittsburg > Virginia Tech > Miami > Georgia Tech > North Carolina State > North Carolina
After these teams there I lose interest. BYU, ND, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Cincinnati and all those others don't sound exciting.
I think Al's proposed alignment accomplishes that about as well as you can expect. You get 1 game in Florida every other year (probably a game in SC in the off years), at least 1 game in Texas every year, farmageddon every year, 2 of 5 years playing all remaining Big 8 teams, 2 of 5 years playing all but one remaining Big 8 teams.
Anytime I hear "as early as next week" I roll my eyes. Might as well be a year from now with the way news travels and people will forget their predictions by then because something else will be the flavor of the day.
I understand and agree BUT I can't remember any previous public talk like this..There were internet rumors but no one in the media were saying its about to happen, thats not to say that means its a sure thing
But the big TV money isn't related to the entire pool of games, it is tied to the top games each week. The money in the Tier 1 and Tier 2 TV contract is really being paid to get a hold of the top 2 or 3 games each week for a large, national audience. By adding a couple big name football schools like FSU and Clemson, you increase the likelihood of having a good TV matchup each week even if we move from a 9 game schedule back to 8. If you need to spread out the conference games, play an OOC game during the year like the SEC, or shift some bye weeks around.
The move to 8 also increases the likelihood of schools scheduling more BCS teams in the non-conference. You can bet that ESPN is more pumped for something like OU-ND than making sure we have a KU-Baylor game this year.
The B1G, ACC, and SEC are all getting paid with an 8 game schedule right now. With the depth and the quality of the B12, there is no reason we shouldn't be able to get back to 8 during expansion while maintaining our payout. The additional revenue from the conference title game alone should cover at least one of the new schools, if not a little more than that.
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