***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***
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Yep if it were 1965, this would make a great argument but unfortunately it's all about football performance and TV sets and we don't look so hot there.
I guess I don't fear competition from others - I would rather base my plans on strategy and confidence in my own abilities.
I know this is completely true but I'm not sure what this says about our society that academic profile of a non profit university is at the bottom of the criteria list because the biggest concern is money
Does it matter that we consistently out draw good fball teams? Fan support also has to count for something. Even with as terrible as we've been, our fans haven't waivered.
This would be concerning if it was up to a vote of society in general. However, the people that make the decisions are academics - university presidents of which 99% of them were college professors with PhDs before moving up the ranks of university administration. If there is one set of people who would defy the preferences of society to place athletic performance over university prestige and the ability to choose who their university's "peer" institutions, it would be university presidents. I'm not too worried about ISU's chances of finding a nice landing spot should the Big 12 explode. It's a different scenario though for KSU, OSU, Baylor, TCU, etc. since they don't have the size or academic prestige.
The academically prestigious Big Ten presidents had the choice between Missouri (who desparately wanted in the Big Ten) and Nebraska, fully knowing that the latter was likely to be booted from the AAU. The academically prestigious Big Ten presidents chose Nebraska...
Have you ever been to Missouri? Who would blame them? (and that's saying something when it's compared to the state of Nebraska!)
HoopsTournament
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Pac 12 will not admit a religious university whether it is BYU, TCU or Baylor. It has nothing to do with the school's policies.
I guess I am not sure why any school that is currently in a P5 would ever get left out. There has never been in finite number that is too much or too little in terms of size of a conference. If that means that one or two leagues of 17 schools instead of 16 so be it...they'd make scheduling work somehow. I just do not see anyone being left out. Big 12 implodes and the big guns of Texas and OU are headed to Big Ten or SEC...the league says yes we are imploding but sign here stating you are getting OU/Texas and but also taking one or two other teams so they land safely.' Maybe I'm just a blind optimist.
The Big10 told Rutgers not to worry about that question, they liked their TVs better.
If the bold is true, then I think ISU is in a stronger position if this thing collapses. If you look at Tech as delivering the Lubbock market and not as getting you on TVs across the state of Texas, then I'm not sure they are much more appealing than ISU.
I think it is also hard to say what the conferences will be valuing in 10 years if the league falls apart. If they are still selling conference networks in cable bundles, we may still be a solid pickup for anyone beyond the B1G, as we would probably bring the entire state. If they are looking to sell more of a direct/digital distro product, we may still be ahead of some schools like TCU or Baylor. They are certainly putting a better product on the field than us, but how many subs could they drive to a digital service when they can't even get fans in the stadium for games?
I'm just not worried about what happens if the B12 collapses at this point. The B12 expansion exercise has done nothing but prove that there are no good options beyond existing P5s. And I don't think we would be the last school picked out of the B12, which means we would find a home.
Who are the people that say only football matters in expansion? Sports media and sports fans. Hmmmmm....
Best thing for ISU to do is have a well fan supported competative football team. Having a team that can go 7-8 win seasons on average will go a LONG way if we have to market ourselves to another conference. I know, its a tall order, but I think its achievable.
Personally, the fan support for ISU is a huge plus compared to some other current P5 schools.
For example, Washington State...holy cow. If in 10 years it becomes about eye balls and fans buying a product, ISU becomes more valuable.
Personally, the fan support for ISU is a huge plus compared to some other current P5 schools.
For example, Washington State...holy cow. If in 10 years it becomes about eye balls and fans buying a product, ISU becomes more valuable.
If we had a decent football program, I would almost favor a Big 12 implosion because we definitely wouldn't be left out and it isn't as if we have any big rivals in the conference. But we don't have a decent program. We have a historically bad program. I'm still optimistic it will work out for the good guys whether that means a new Big 12 GOR or we land in the Pac 12/Big Ten/Superconference.
Even if Iowa State is guaranteed to land in a 16-team P4 conference, I don't think it's sure or even likely to be better than the Big 12 in my opinion.
The B1G would be - lots of drivable games. But the Pac-12 (Pac-16), ACC, or SEC would be serious downgrades. It would be a bunch of schools that we have no history with and that are a long way away.
My unlikely hope is that the Big 12 blows up, teams are flying around (including Texas to either the SEC or the Pac), and the Big Ten wants to get a quick 16 with AAU schools for whatever reason. A division with Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, and Kansas would be pretty much ideal. Added bonus: Move the Cy-Hawk Game to the last week of the regular season, the week after Iowa plays Nebraska around Thanksgiving.
It would be better only in so much as it would be stable and we could end this bs.
HoopsTournament
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Thanksgiving would be the last week of the regular season because the following week is the championship game.