***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

[isucy86]

why do we think 12 teams means an 8 game conference schedule? what policy is there that it can't be kept at nine?

Those people pushing for 8 conference games aren't realistic. With the Big 10 moving to 9 conference games, its only a matter of time before the ACC & SEC move to nine conference games. The ACC will do so to support the ACC Network. The SEC may be pushed into it by the Big12, Big10 and Pac12.

Just like the Big12 was pushed into adding a CCG, all conferences will need to play 9 conference games to create a level playoff field to be eligible for the 4 team playoff.

 

[UraMallas]

ISU's student body government passed a resolution against BYU tonight:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrzSDkeUsAA0ptt.jpg:large

 

[CycloneWarrior]

ISU's student body government passed a resolution against BYU tonight:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrzSDkeUsAA0ptt.jpg:large

I'm sure Bob Bowlsby will take the demands of the Iowa State Student government super serial.

 

[Bryce7]

Wow. Another stupid MAC comment.

1. ISU will never EVER be in the MAC. Stop with stupid comments like that.
2. ISU and many others will never vote for expansion without a GOR extension. It just won't happen.
3. UT and OU are more likely to extend the GOR than you think. If there is enough money for an incentive, then they will.

The gor is the last one as the two biggies will check out better options.

 

[SC Cy]

ESPN article. I would hope the Big 12 is looking to get stronger and not threatened by Houston's recent success.

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post...-may-eclipse-schools-who-helped-fuel-its-rise

 

[Triggermv]

Count me in the group where GOR is my #1 priority and I'm glad to know that Pollard feels the same way

 

[Cyclonepride]

ISU's student body government passed a resolution against BYU tonight:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrzSDkeUsAA0ptt.jpg:large

"Values of the Big 12 Conference" lol

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Just like the Big12 was pushed into adding a CCG, all conferences will need to play 9 conference games to create a level playoff field to be eligible for the 4 team playoff.

I think ten Power 5 opponents regardless of conference will become more of a standard. Number of conference games doesn't matter. Teams with a shot at the playoff will end up having played 11 Power 5 teams after their CCG.

 

[DSM4Cy]

"Values of the Big 12 Conference" lol

Gotta tell ya, I'm not a fan of BYU joining the league. This is one of the big reasons why. I get that they are the best non-P5 option out there for fanbase, tradition. We may have to suck it up in order to keep existing as a conference. But, do you remember what happened when we played out there in BB a few years ago with Melvin? I don't want to share a league with a group of people with values obviously quite different from what is generally accepted in 2016. Same goes for Baylor, too...

 

[KnappShack]

Gotta tell ya, I'm not a fan of BYU joining the league. This is one of the big reasons why. I get that they are the best non-P5 option out there for fanbase, tradition. We may have to suck it up in order to keep existing as a conference. But, do you remember what happened when we played out there in BB a few years ago with Melvin? I don't want to share a league with a group of people with values obviously quite different from what is generally accepted in 2016. Same goes for Baylor, too...

Gotta tell ya, I'm not a fan of BYU joining the league. This is one of the big reasons why. I get that they are the best non-P5 option out there for fanbase, tradition. We may have to suck it up in order to keep existing as a conference. But, do you remember what happened when we played out there in BB a few years ago with Melvin? I don't want to share a league with a group of people with values obviously quite different from what is generally accepted in 2016. Same goes for Baylor, too...

I'm enjoying people on Twitter saying the Big 12 in intolerant of religion and stepping all over 1st Amendment rights.

.....buuuut they'll cash the checks if accepted. Pound sand, BYU

 

[Cyclonepride]

Gotta tell ya, I'm not a fan of BYU joining the league. This is one of the big reasons why. I get that they are the best non-P5 option out there for fanbase, tradition. We may have to suck it up in order to keep existing as a conference. But, do you remember what happened when we played out there in BB a few years ago with Melvin? I don't want to share a league with a group of people with values obviously quite different from what is generally accepted in 2016. Same goes for Baylor, too...

I don't really care one way or the other. People who go there know what they are getting into. I think the values of the Big 12 involves making a lot of money.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I think it's a reasonable question for the presidents to consider what sort of universities they want to associate with. Not sure there is a clear cut answer to this one, unless some BYU policy related to these LGBT issues would affect visiting student-athletes, in which case it would be an easy answer. But BYU's policies are only for its own students (I think).

 

[3GenClone]

I think it's a reasonable question for the presidents to consider what sort of universities they want to associate with. Not sure there is a clear cut answer to this one, unless some BYU policy related to these LGBT issues would affect visiting student-athletes, in which case it would be an easy answer. But BYU's policies are only for its own students (I think).

BYU coeds be like:

 

[KcClone01]

I hope it does go back to 8 with two Power 5 opponents in the non-con, like the ACC does now.

It would be nice to free up Big 12 schools to do annual non-con P5 rivalries and then have flexibility on another non-con opponent, for more variety.

The future Big 12 could have some pretty fun annual non-con rivalry games:

*Iowa State-Iowa
*Kansas-Missouri
*Oklahoma-Nebraska
*Texas-Texas A&M
*West Virginia-Pitt

And then the teams could schedule as they wish for the other game. The OUs and UTs of the world would aim for a big name to bolster playoff resume while the KUs and ISUs would match up with each other (i.e. Wake Forest and Washington State) in the hunt for 6 wins. Everyone wins.

While you're sentiment is great regarding how teams could get more creative with their scheduling, you are way off regarding KU-MU and TX-TX A&M.

As someone living in KC for a decade, KU will likely never schedule a football or basketball game against MU again. I am guessing the sentiment is true between Texas and A&M. Not to say that they couldn't be paired up in the NCAA tourney or a bowl game or a future conference realignment. But KU has stated repeatedly they have no interest now or in the future in scheduling games with MU. They consider MU walking away from 100+ years of playing every year as a huge slap in the face, as do many other current B12 schools. There is a reason no former Big 12 (still in the B12) north have scheduled a game against MU.

 

[CYCLNST8]

While you're sentiment is great regarding how teams could get more creative with their scheduling, you are way off regarding KU-MU and TX-TX A&M.

As someone living in KC for a decade, KU will likely never schedule a football or basketball game against MU again. I am guessing the sentiment is true between Texas and A&M. Not to say that they couldn't be paired up in the NCAA tourney or a bowl game or a future conference realignment. But KU has stated repeatedly they have no interest now or in the future in scheduling games with MU. They consider MU walking away from 100+ years of playing every year as a huge slap in the face, as do many other current B12 schools. There is a reason no former Big 12 (still in the B12) north have scheduled a game against MU.

Understandable. I would like to see WVU Pitt revived however.

 

[surly]

I believe the bent against MU is complete horse-poo. Ku would leave ISU and the rest of this league in a heartbeat for the Big10 given a chance. And the reverse is true as well. All this chest thumping purity amongst leftovers here would be amusing if not so blatantly hypocritical.

 

[SC Cy]

ISU's student body government passed a resolution against BYU tonight:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrzSDkeUsAA0ptt.jpg:large

This is so annoying.

 

[surly]

This is so annoying.

May be, but there isn't a public university in the league whose student councils would not support the same. I'll be surprised if there are not additional statements by student governments around the league supporting ISU's. Students are liberal by nature and most often directed by liberal political science academic advisers towards this kind sentiment.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Students are liberal by nature and most often directed by liberal political science academic advisers towards this kind sentiment.

Yeah... no. Thanks for bringing politics into this unnecessary though.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

While you're sentiment is great regarding how teams could get more creative with their scheduling, you are way off regarding KU-MU and TX-TX A&M.

As someone living in KC for a decade, KU will likely never schedule a football or basketball game against MU again. I am guessing the sentiment is true between Texas and A&M. Not to say that they couldn't be paired up in the NCAA tourney or a bowl game or a future conference realignment. But KU has stated repeatedly they have no interest now or in the future in scheduling games with MU. They consider MU walking away from 100+ years of playing every year as a huge slap in the face, as do many other current B12 schools. There is a reason no former Big 12 (still in the B12) north have scheduled a game against MU.

Maybe they don't, or maybe dollar signs get the best of them like OU playing Nebby. KU and Mizzou selling out Arrowhead would be a big deal - same with UT and A&M playing anywhere in that state (and getting a major TV slot out of it, too).

Regardless, that's tangential to my point that 8+2 schedule is better than 9+1. More flexibility is better.