***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

[HoopsTournament]

Believe they officially stated by October meeting but maybe sooner. We posters have taken liberties and said decision would be by start of fb season as schools need extraction time from current league. The longer it takes the more cigar smoke you will see pouring out of administration HQ's across conference. B12 powers will be strong arming the weak sisters to get in line. I don't think Houston is on table - Texas is using it as a powerplay with OU. Nobody outside Texas ( and even BU) want Houston in. Since the great and all powerful OZ ( Urban Meyer) supports Cincy - they are in. It is possible to take 1 or 3 and work with that for awhile. Cincy/BYU/CSU - still have 3 openings for PAC in 2022. Really looking at AZ/ASU and CU. NM is fall back if CU continues to be Purdue of PAC 12.

You can't have an odd number of teams and games. And TV won't let us go to 8 games. So it will be even number.

 

[colbycheese]

You can't have an odd number of teams and games and still play a round-robin schedule. And TV won't let us go to 8 games. So it will be even number.

FIFY. It worked for the Big 10 for a few decades. You just have to be willing to not play one team each year and declare a fake conference champion (unless they do a conference championship game anyways).

 

[boone7247]

FIFY. It worked for the Big 10 for a few decades. You just have to be willing to not play one team each year and declare a fake conference champion (unless they do a conference championship game anyways).

Maybe you miss understood him. You can't have an odd number of teams and play an odd number of conference games because you will end up with uneven schedules. And since we already play 9 conference games, and the networks are unlikely to let us out of that, then we can't have an odd number of teams. That math doesn't work out. So quite literally you can't have an odd number of teams and play an odd number of games.

Example B12 now has 10 teams each playing 9 games. That is 45 contested games. But if we had 11 teams each playing 9 games that would wind up in 49.5 games, you can't have a half game. You either have to have 12 teams playing 9 games or 11 teams playing 8.

 

[isucy86]

FIFY. It worked for the Big 10 for a few decades. You just have to be willing to not play one team each year and declare a fake conference champion (unless they do a conference championship game anyways).

That worked when the Big10 didn't have a conference championship game or a divisional set-up.

 

[isucy86]

No merger with the PAC. They are the weak sister financially.

Look for 12 teams. GOR extended to 2030. B12 knows they must do this to survive.

PAC12 does have the worst TV deal right now. But they also have large state schools with great traditions, big TV markets and financially would benefit from playing half their games in the central time zone. Big12 teams playing in the pacific time zone provides exposure to the west coast market and recruits.

Just don't see Texas or OU extending their GOR unless a new TV contract is agreed upon. It would be like buying a house without agreeing on a price.

Every school in the Pac12 (except OSU and WSU) has higher TV rights value than any school being considered for Big12 expansion, except BYU. There isn't a big financial incentive for existing Big12 schools to expand to 12 or 14 schools. The big financial windfall over the next 8 years is the CCG.

 

[Topshelf]

I haven't read through every single page yet... However, I'm thinking the Big 12 needs to add 4 and say screw ESPN. Then the Big12 needs to sign with Disney or AT&T or some other outside the box idea that is the future of watching sports.

 

[SCNCY]

I haven't read through every single page yet... However, I'm thinking the Big 12 needs to add 4 and say screw ESPN. Then the Big12 needs to sign with Disney or AT&T or some other outside the box idea that is the future of watching sports.

Disney owns ABC who owns ESPN.

 

[Topshelf]

Disney owns ABC who owns ESPN.

Oh.....

Well, take them off my "out of the box" idea and come up with a new "out of the box" idea....

 

[Gunnerclone]

Oh.....

Well, take them off my "out of the box" idea and come up with a new "out of the box" idea....

Satellite Radio is the future!

 

[Boxerdaddy]

Here's a new take on the Big12 merging with the SEC. Yes, the SEC.

http://newsok.com/article/5513732

 

[SCNCY]

Oh.....

Well, take them off my "out of the box" idea and come up with a new "out of the box" idea....

Others have already mentioned ideas. But any online streaming service could work. A company like Netflix would be nice to have to show games on. The big 12 could create their own streaming service for games if they wanted to, or at least partner with a company who could stream it.

I said this somewhere else, but I think the what the Big 12 should do is create a streaming service to broadcast their games on. This would allow them to keep the AD revenue that comes with sports (which is a lot) and also cut down on the crap (cost) that current league networks have on their stations. Additionally, you could sell games to the other networks and capture a rebroadcast fee to fill their TV slots.

 

[acgclone]

Here's a new take on the Big12 merging with the SEC. Yes, the SEC.

http://newsok.com/article/5513732

When I start seeing this kind of talk from writers in Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge, then I'll give that a thought.

But unfortunately this is 50x more likely in the time being......

 

[KnappShack]

Here's a new take on the Big12 merging with the SEC. Yes, the SEC.

http://newsok.com/article/5513732

Obviously a tremendous difference between merging with the SEC and the PAC. The gold standard vs scrap copper pulled out of an abandoned home.

Neither will actually happen at least not as a complete and total merger. Keep killing the golden goose, college

 

[Gorm]

When I start seeing this kind of talk from writers in Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge, then I'll give that a thought.

But unfortunately this is 50x more likely in the time being......

LOL Mizzou.

 

[aeroclone]

When I start seeing this kind of talk from writers in Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge, then I'll give that a thought.

But unfortunately this is 50x more likely in the time being......

So the SEC adds UT (doubtful), as well as an OU and OSU package deal (not sure why they would agree to OSU), and then kicks out Mizzou? Probably not the most likely path to 16 for the SEC.

 

[acgclone]

So the SEC adds UT (doubtful), as well as an OU and OSU package deal (not sure why they would agree to OSU), and then kicks out Mizzou? Probably not the most likely path to 16 for the SEC.

The map was facetious but my point is that talk of merging with the SEC is absurd.

It isn't happening.

 

[HoopsTournament]

FIFY. It worked for the Big 10 for a few decades. You just have to be willing to not play one team each year and declare a fake conference champion (unless they do a conference championship game anyways).

Big 10 had 8 games so no they didn't have an odd number of games. It is impossible mathematically as others have shown.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Here's a new take on the Big12 merging with the SEC. Yes, the SEC.

http://newsok.com/article/5513732

Barry Trammel is off his rocker.

 

[Clonehomer]

So the SEC adds UT (doubtful), as well as an OU and OSU package deal (not sure why they would agree to OSU), and then kicks out Mizzou? Probably not the most likely path to 16 for the SEC.

Well, if Mizzou became KUs partner for the Big10 I guess I could see it. This would be the nightmare scenario for ISU IMO. The Big10 fills up and there aren't good enough schools left to make the PAC12 want to expand further. Leaving ISU, KSU, Baylor, TCU, TTU, and WVU to join a G5.

 

[Gorm]

Very good article about history of realignment:

http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-conference-oral-history-swc-merger-1974972078.html