***Official 2022 World Cup Thread***

This is a pretty good calculator. You can change each group scores and see how it plays out.

That being said Mexico needs one more goal. Or Poland to score 2 more goals.

 
Mexico up 2-0. Argentina up 1-0.

If I'm looking at this right, if Mexico scores one more goal, they will advance based on the third tie-breaker. If Argentina scores, Poland and Mexico move to the next tiebreaker (which I'm trying to understand)

1. Highest number of points2. Goal difference3. Goals scored
Each of the 32 teams tallies three points for a win, 1 point for a draw and 0 points for a loss. If two or more teams end the group stage with same point total, a decision will be made using rule No. 2.If two or more teams end the group stage with the same point total, officials will rule in favor of the team with the greatest goal difference based on the goals scored in their respective matches. If the teams remain tied after criteria No. 1 and 2, a decision will be made using rule No. 3.If the teams remain tied after (1) and (2), the team with the most goals scored in their respective matches will advance to the next round. If the teams remain tied after the first three rules, a decision will be made using rule No. 4.

In the event a decision cannot be reached using the first three rules, officials would continue their evaluation using the following criteria:

4. Point total in head-to-head matches5. Goal difference in head-to-head matches6. Goals scored in head-to-head matches.
Officials will make a decision based on which team tallied the most points in matches played between the countries involved, with the team with the most wins advancing to the Round of 16. If a ruling still cannot be determined, a decision will be made using rule No. 5.Officials will make a decision based on which team has the greatest goal difference in games played between the countries involved. If a ruling still cannot be determined, a decision will be made using rule No. 6.Officials will make a decision based on which team has the greatest goal difference in games played between the countries involved. If a ruling still cannot be determined, a decision will be made using rule No. 7.

Should the teams remain in a deadlock after the first six rules, a decision will be made using the fair play system and, finally, a drawing of lots by the FIFA Organizing Committee as the last resort.
An oft-debated topic since Senegal’s elimination in 2018, the fair play system determines which team will advance based on which team has the fewest penalties following their respective matches. Each team loses a point for each yellow card, three points for an indirect red card (second yellow card), four points for a direct red card and five points for yellow and direct red cards.

So there's not really a point to rules 4, 5 and 6, right?
 
Everyone in Mexico will accept being eliminated in Fair Play Points and will not be upset at all. They will be very reasonable i’m sure.
 
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Would it be better to just call it fewest cards? The phrasing 'fair play points' seems to be more offensive than the actual criteria.
I don't care about the phrasing. It's a lame win to decide a tie-breaker.

Be like hockey and play sudden death futsal for it
 
I'm not listening to either game. Has anyone said who would advance if it came down to the fair play tie-breaker?
 
Mexico currently on 7 yellow cards, Poland on 5, so Poland need 2 more to match and move onto drawing straws. Or just someone needs to score a goal.
 
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So you're saying yellow and red cards shouldn't come into play before you flip a coin?
I know logistically it doesn't make any sense for soccer but I want it settled on the field, not by cards or a coin flip. If they got the teams together for a 5 v 5 or something like that I don't think it would last very long, if tiredness is an issue.
 
I know logistically it doesn't make any sense for soccer but I want it settled on the field, not by cards or a coin flip. If they got the teams together for a 5 v 5 or something like that I don't think it would last very long, if tiredness is an issue.
I'll add that some refs are more likely to give cards, so I don't necessarily think that is a "fair" way to determine things.
 
I know logistically it doesn't make any sense for soccer but I want it settled on the field, not by cards or a coin flip. If they got the teams together for a 5 v 5 or something like that I don't think it would last very long, if tiredness is an issue.

You're contradicting yourself there. Cards are called on the field. Why shouldn't a team be penalized for committing more fouls than another team?
 

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