***Official 2022 World Cup Thread***

[CloneJD]

Take whoever is highest in college playoff rankings to make sure Texas or OU gets in.

 

[Gunnerclone]

You're contradicting yourself there. Cards are called on the field. Why shouldn't a team be penalized for committing more fouls than another team?

I’ve always thought an interesting twist to soccer would be to go to a penalty box. 5 minutes for a “yellow”, 10 minutes for a “red”.

 

[Clonefan32]

My god do a coinflip before you let it come down to yellow cards.

Imagine the Super Bowl coming down to whomever has more penalty yards. Or the Final Four coming down to whoever committed more fouls.

 

[PSYclone22]

Imagine if an NCAA Tournament game was tied and the team with fewer fouls advanced.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

My god do a coinflip before you let it come down to yellow cards.

Imagine the Super Bowl coming down to whomever has more penalty yards. Or the Final Four coming down to whoever committed more fouls.

Last I checked, the goal of soccer is to score more goals than your opponent, not foul less than your opponent.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

That Saudi Arabia goal is how things should be handled

 

[CycloneEggie]

Saudi's score in stoppage time and that's all for Mexico.

 

[houjix]

El Tri again next time, amirite?

I'll see myself out.

 

[Bigman38]

Is it though? Mexico still advances with a goal I think

 

[CycloneEggie]

Is it though? Mexico still advances with a goal I think

Yes that's true. If Mexico can score one more then they would advance with goals scored, even though they would be tied in points. It takes the fair play part out.

 

[BigJCy]

Bye Bye Mexico

 

[Bigman38]

What a brutal way to get eliminated, Mexico almost looked like a lock 30 mins ago

 

[jdoggivjc]

Is it though? Mexico still advances with a goal I think

Mexico just gave up a goal before the game ended, which means they're now -1 GD to Poland.

 

[Bigman38]

Mexico just gave up a goal before the game ended, which means they're now -1 GD to Poland.

But they needed a goal anyways right, because they were losing the tiebreaker. So if they would have scored a third GD would be the same again but they'd have more goals scored.

Crazy scenario, I don't remember anything quite like that.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Hate to see it.

 

[PSYclone22]

Mexico just gave up a goal before the game ended, which means they're now -1 GD to Poland.

If Mexico had scored one more they would have been even on goal diff but ahead on goals scored.

Before that Saudi goal Mexico and Poland were even on goal diff and goals scored

 

[cyclonespiker33]

Mexico up 2-0. Argentina up 1-0.

If I'm looking at this right, if Mexico scores one more goal, they will advance based on the third tie-breaker. If Argentina scores, Poland and Mexico move to the next tiebreaker (which I'm trying to understand)

1. Highest number of points	2. Goal difference	3. Goals scored
Each of the 32 teams tallies three points for a win, 1 point for a draw and 0 points for a loss. If two or more teams end the group stage with same point total, a decision will be made using rule No. 2.	If two or more teams end the group stage with the same point total, officials will rule in favor of the team with the greatest goal difference based on the goals scored in their respective matches. If the teams remain tied after criteria No. 1 and 2, a decision will be made using rule No. 3.	If the teams remain tied after (1) and (2), the team with the most goals scored in their respective matches will advance to the next round. If the teams remain tied after the first three rules, a decision will be made using rule No. 4.

In the event a decision cannot be reached using the first three rules, officials would continue their evaluation using the following criteria:

4. Point total in head-to-head matches	5. Goal difference in head-to-head matches	6. Goals scored in head-to-head matches.
Officials will make a decision based on which team tallied the most points in matches played between the countries involved, with the team with the most wins advancing to the Round of 16. If a ruling still cannot be determined, a decision will be made using rule No. 5.	Officials will make a decision based on which team has the greatest goal difference in games played between the countries involved. If a ruling still cannot be determined, a decision will be made using rule No. 6.	Officials will make a decision based on which team has the greatest goal difference in games played between the countries involved. If a ruling still cannot be determined, a decision will be made using rule No. 7.

Should the teams remain in a deadlock after the first six rules, a decision will be made using the fair play system and, finally, a drawing of lots by the FIFA Organizing Committee as the last resort.
An oft-debated topic since Senegal’s elimination in 2018, the fair play system determines which team will advance based on which team has the fewest penalties following their respective matches. Each team loses a point for each yellow card, three points for an indirect red card (second yellow card), four points for a direct red card and five points for yellow and direct red cards.

While we're complaining about tiebreakers, can I just mention that it is stupid to not have head-to-head result more important than goal differential.

 

[WooBadger18]

My god do a coinflip before you let it come down to yellow cards.

Imagine the Super Bowl coming down to whomever has more penalty yards. Or the Final Four coming down to whoever committed more fouls.

But you could say the same thing about a coin flip. I agree card accumulation shouldn’t be one of the primary ways of determining who moves on, but once you get past the more obvious tie breakers I don’t think it’s a terrible way to determine who goes through.

 

[jmb]

Last I checked, the goal of soccer is to score more goals than your opponent, not foul less than your opponent.

You make it seem as if they are mutually exclusive objectives.

 

[CloneJD]

While we're complaining about tiebreakers, can I just mention that it is stupid to not have head-to-head result more important than goal differential.

Well that devalues the other results in the round robin which is why it’s not used.