Just now on Sportscenter they were talking about Kansas and yes, they mentioned the controversial call at Hilton. I love it! haha it has to **** off KU fans so much to hear that they really didn't win that game.
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We're in, I don't care what Baylor does or doesn't do. When they listed the bubbles biggest winners and losers, they said we are the best team on the bubble. A loss to OU isn't going to change enough that we don't make it.
Somehow I suspect that even if we won the Big 12 tourney, some of these analysts would be looking for a loophole to keep us out.
It is always one more win with them. Our games are fun to watch. They would be crazy not to put us in at this point.
It is always one more win with them. Our games are fun to watch. They would be crazy not to put us in at this point.
Somehow I suspect that even if we won the Big 12 tourney, some of these analysts would be looking for a loophole to keep us out.
the committee found a way in 2000 to make us a 2 seed after winningour tourney and regulr season. nothing would surprise me. and they stuck us as 2 seeed in bracket withMSU.
If we lose to Oklahoma, we need to be aware of the teams in the last 4 in category. That currently is La Salle, Boise State, Kentucky and Tennessee. If these teams make runs we can find ourselves back in the play in game. Then, if Virginia Baylor, Ole Miss, Alabama, Southern Miss, ASU or Iowa win their tournaments or go on runs, we should get nervous. So we need to cheer for losses among:
1. La Salle - Plays winner of Butler vs. Dayton
2. Boise State - Play SDSU
3. Kentucky - Plays winner of Vanderbilt vs. Arkansas
3. Tennessee - Plays either Mississippi State or South Carolina
4. Virginia - Plays NC State or Va Tech
5. Baylor - Plays OK State
6. Ole Miss - Plays either Missouri, Texas A&M or Auburn
7. Alabama - Plays either Tennessee, Mississippi State or South Carolina
8. Southern Mississippi - Plays either SMU or UAB
9. Iowa - Plays Northwestern
10. Arizona State - beat Stanford
1. La Salle - Plays winner of Butler vs. Dayton
2. Boise State - Play SDSU
3. Kentucky - Plays winner of Vanderbilt vs. Arkansas
3. Tennessee - Plays either Mississippi State or South Carolina
4. Virginia - Plays NC State or Va Tech
5. Baylor - Plays OK State
6. Ole Miss - Plays either Missouri, Texas A&M or Auburn
7. Alabama - Plays either Tennessee, Mississippi State or South Carolina
8. Southern Mississippi - Plays either SMU or UAB
9. Iowa - Plays Northwestern
10. Arizona State - beat Stanford
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No, it doesn't. How many times or in different ways does it need to be said that the committee doesn't look at how many teams they put in from each conference?
It is frequently pointed out as the biggest misconception fans have about the selection process.
I realize I used hyperbole with my "field-shrinking" comment, he didn't call it elimination game. But "nervous" to me sounds close to "play-out." The result of this particular game shouldn't make any major difference.
To play devil's advocate on myself, two things:
1. A win lets you play another game. That's a shot at a seal-it-for-sure win over KU (barring 1-8/9 upset) and even a loss there isn't going to do any damage.
2. A blowout in ISU-OU game may give committee extra pause.
Even so, i still think there are too many teams more-easily bumped than either team, if there are extensive upsets or bubble-up moves.
Here is what Glockner says about us in his Bubble Watch:
With Selection Sunday around the bend, how is the NCAA tournament field shaping up? | One And One - SI.com
With Selection Sunday around the bend, how is the NCAA tournament field shaping up? | One And One - SI.com
It's a rarity. ISU is typically either "no chance" or "securely in."
I'd even say 2005 wasn't a bubble situation (that Big12 tournament win probably not needed, but left zero doubt).
Probably only cases in 64-team era were 1992 (the legendary "We kicked your ***" Orr-Vitale exchange) and 1985 (ended up 13th seed vs. Ohio State) -- although I don't remember how much bubble discussion there actually was back then -- seems like there was talk of "on the fence" but mostly after the field was announced.
I see what you're saying, but that isn't what CyJack13 was saying, know what I'm sayin'? :smile:
It was a comparison of MTSU pedigree with Missouri State's, resume-wise — I think 3 teams from Valley got bids that year, Missouri State was nearby in the overall mix, with resume similar to a lot of other non-MVC bubble teams
(It was a little like this year's MWC and A-10, slightly less deep).
Those Valley teams were able to get meaningful wins vs. each other — Middle Tennessee didn't have those opportunities in this year's Sun Belt.
Until you can place a camera in the room reccord the selection process discussion. no way the conference gets 6 bids. commitee members want you to believe theey don't look at bid numbers but they do. 3 teams from our conf are in and the only 3 are being chosen from with the committee looking for reasons to not invite one or 2 because our conf is percievved tto be down.
Even if they did put a ceiling on bids, conference-by-conference, Big 12 compares favorably to every league except Big Ten and Big East (Sagarin has Big 12 3rd behind those, for what it's worth) ... is the sixth-best team in Big 12 worse than sixth in A-10, SEC, MWC, ACC and Pac-10? If so, and all of them were snubbed, to what other teams are those five bids going to go?
there is no clear cut bid number per conf. but it is simple math. committee members know they have to spread the bids out or the big confs would get them all.
I think we are in but OU and Baylor scare me.
If they cared about number of bids per conference, the Big East would not have had 9 teams in one year, and the Pac would have had more than 2 teams in one year.
2005 Big 12 tournament was more of a "your in, but only if you don't screw this up against a terrible Colorado team."
IMO if ISU loses on Thursday, it's likely they'll get in, but play in Dayton with an outside chance (15%) of not making the tournament at all.
The team must approach Thursday like the last 2 games, must wins.
I'm not sure about Baylor. We could both get in. If Baylor rattles off two wins that should bump them up into top 50 RPI giving us two more T50 wins