offensive line help

[CascadeClone]

Do we?

We have six guys coming back with extensive playing experience. We have extremely talented guys like Deylin Hasert, whom I’m really excited about, coming off redshirts.

I’d be happy if they just played better together.

This is where I am. I don't think the guys themselves are the problem. Just about all of them were "hey that guy looks great, can't wait til next year when he will be bigger and better" when they first hit the field. Think Miller vs Clemson. Simmons and Remsberg as freshman. Ramos & Foster. They all looked good when raw.

Then they seemed to get worse - missed blocks, false starts, etc. And it's been like this for a while now.

I am not sure if the scheme is too complex (or too simple), the way they are taught/coached both technique and scheme, or what the problem is. But my outside amateur opinion is that the problem isn't the actual players, but the scheme and/or how they are taught. I live in hope the new OL coach will be a genius and get them performing to an average or god forbid above average level. Would have been in the gd CCG this year if they had with this defense...

 

[LeaningCy]

“Sucked”? It’s like some of you don’t remember the pre-Campbell years…going back to Seneca’s senior year.

Yes, the line absolutely sucked this year. Almost dead last in many OLine stat rankings out of all FBS teams.

Acknowledge the turd. Flush the turd. Don't polish the turd.

Stats and definitions from https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2022

Iowa State's Offensive Line Rankings Through Week 12, 11/21/22:

Run-blocking stats
Line Yards per Carry: 125th
- For 2018, we are experimenting with a new definition for college line yardage based on film study and generalization. Instead of the ALY figure FO used for the NFL, this one is tighter: the line gets credit for rushing yardage between 0-3 yards (instead of 0-4) and 50% credit for yards 4-8 (instead of 5-10). Anything over 8 yards is quantified as a highlight opportunity, and credit goes to the runner. As with the pro definition, lost yardage still counts for 125%. (Garbage time is filtered out for all line yardage averages.)

Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: 118th
- The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer).

Passing Downs Line Yards per Carry: 122nd
- The same unadjusted averages for rushing on passing downs.

Opportunity Rate: 129th
- The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.

Power Success Rate: 109th
- This is the same as on the NFL side -- percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.

Stuff Rate: 107th
- Same as STUFFED on the NFL side -- percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Pass-blocking stats
Sack Rate: 50th
- Unadjusted sack rate for all non-garbage time pass attempts.

Standard Downs Sack Rate: 78th
- Unadjusted sack rate for standard downs pass attempts.

Passing Downs Sack Rate: 26th
- Unadjusted sack rate for passing downs pass attempts.

 

[RustShack]

With the way things are in college football, we probably won't know for sure until Sept 1st

I think there’s a transfer portal window this year, which just opened. So it should be better then last year.

 

[bozclone]

This is where I am. I don't think the guys themselves are the problem. Just about all of them were "hey that guy looks great, can't wait til next year when he will be bigger and better" when they first hit the field. Think Miller vs Clemson. Simmons and Remsberg as freshman. Ramos & Foster. They all looked good when raw.

Then they seemed to get worse - missed blocks, false starts, etc. And it's been like this for a while now.

I am not sure if the scheme is too complex (or too simple), the way they are taught/coached both technique and scheme, or what the problem is. But my outside amateur opinion is that the problem isn't the actual players, but the scheme and/or how they are taught. I live in hope the new OL coach will be a genius and get them performing to an average or god forbid above average level. Would have been in the gd CCG this year if they had with this defense...

I agree with a lot of this. I think our guys looked confused a lot of the time. I think our RG position was an issue this year and moving Downing to center didn't seem to be a great move for him. I think we can build around Miller, Remsberg, and Hufferd. Maybe with a new voice Simmons starts showing the promise he showed early in his career. We could use a little more nastiness.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I agree with a lot of this. I think our guys looked confused a lot of the time. I think our RG position was an issue this year and moving Downing to center didn't seem to be a great move for him. I think we can build around Miller, Remsberg, and Hufferd. Maybe with a new voice Simmons starts showing the promise he showed early in his career. We could use a little more nastiness.

A lot more nastiness.

 

[BACyclone]

Talent is extremely important at OT. We haven't recruited OT very well for several years. Last year's class was at least acceptable there.

G-C-G you need nasty dudes who are also smart and work TOGETHER as a unit. When a DL or LB stunts, they need to work as a team to pick it up. Pass rush up the middle = zero offense works.

As a unit, talent is great, but you can have a serviceable OL if the dudes you have just work like a 5-man machine together. This is the piece we have not had much at all, and only in rare times this season. Dudes leaving the wrong guys unblocked, and flat out running past people that should be blocked because the communication or scheme or both was ... poor.

In other words, I'm not saying talent is NOT a problem, but coaching and/or adherence to coaching was DEFINITELY a problem.

 

[hoosman]

This is one time you don’t scrimp on salary. Get the best OL coach at any cost.

 

[RustShack]

I’d like to think we get better OL recruits than UNI, but maybe I’m wrong. Get their OL coach and hopefully he’s just good at developing them.

But as we’ve seen with Iowa, after they parted ways with Doyle their OL development hasn’t been the same since. Hopefully we also hit on the new strength and conditioning position.

 

[bosco]

Ya, I disagree about the talent part. This line has sucked for years. I'll be happy to eat crow.

Every year the line gets talked up and it's the same result. If this line was just average we would of had at least 6 wins. I'm not going to get excited about who is brought in until I see results on the field.

 

[CyLyte2]

I’d like to think we get better OL recruits than UNI, but maybe I’m wrong. Get their OL coach and hopefully he’s just good at developing them.

But as we’ve seen with Iowa, after they parted ways with Doyle their OL development hasn’t been the same since. Hopefully we also hit on the new strength and conditioning position.

Should hire Doyle.

 

[BigTurk]

Should hire Doyle.

No

 

[Clonedogg]

Yes, the line absolutely sucked this year. Almost dead last in many OLine stat rankings out of all FBS teams.

Acknowledge the turd. Flush the turd. Don't polish the turd.

Stats and definitions from https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2022

Iowa State's Offensive Line Rankings Through Week 12, 11/21/22:

Run-blocking stats
Line Yards per Carry: 125th
- For 2018, we are experimenting with a new definition for college line yardage based on film study and generalization. Instead of the ALY figure FO used for the NFL, this one is tighter: the line gets credit for rushing yardage between 0-3 yards (instead of 0-4) and 50% credit for yards 4-8 (instead of 5-10). Anything over 8 yards is quantified as a highlight opportunity, and credit goes to the runner. As with the pro definition, lost yardage still counts for 125%. (Garbage time is filtered out for all line yardage averages.)

Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: 118th
- The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer).

Passing Downs Line Yards per Carry: 122nd
- The same unadjusted averages for rushing on passing downs.

Opportunity Rate: 129th
- The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.

Power Success Rate: 109th
- This is the same as on the NFL side -- percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.

Stuff Rate: 107th
- Same as STUFFED on the NFL side -- percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Pass-blocking stats
Sack Rate: 50th
- Unadjusted sack rate for all non-garbage time pass attempts.

Standard Downs Sack Rate: 78th
- Unadjusted sack rate for standard downs pass attempts.

Passing Downs Sack Rate: 26th
- Unadjusted sack rate for passing downs pass attempts.

This confirms what I thought I was seeing during the season, acceptable pass blocking, abysmal run blocking.

 

[singsing]

Throw some cash out there and buy a couple tackles. Center and guards are set, but the tackles suck.

 

[Ctrans]

Simmons is listed as an RS-Jr. so he's got another year of eligibility.

Simmons is lazy and has not improved during his career. Would not be dissapointed if he entered the portal.

 

[cyfan21]

Should hire Doyle.

I’m surprised Nebraska hasn’t hired him yet. He’d fit in great there.

 

[goody2012]

Ya we sucked bud. Do you not remember how many tackles David had to break? Or how Breece was pretty feast or famine? That's line play. That's not even bringing up penalties and missed blitzes.

When's the last time we dominated a team with the oline? Non power 5 included. Look at Kansas last year. Oklahoma.

Oregon Fiesta Bowl

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Oregon Fiesta Bowl

Idk if we dominated but I will agree that was a good game for them. I was thinking Louisiana Monroe.

 

[madguy30]

Just need OL that can remember the damn snap count, especially in the red zone. So many procedure calls that kill us.

That's been something missing for a few years now.

 

[CyLyte2]

That's been something missing for a few years now.

Do we use a “ snap count”? If we do, do our QBs stand back there and clap for fun?

 

[madguy30]

Do we use a “ snap count”? If we do, do our QBs stand back there and clap for fun?

I'm not sure what exactly it all entails but whatever it is, ISU struggles with this very basic thing.