Northwestern athletics issues

[Urbandale2013]

And based n these allegations, not knowing isn’t even a defense because they are happening at team events/athletic facilities.

If Fitz didn’t know, it’s because he didn’t want to know, and that’s also not acceptable

From what I was seeing it was limited. That’s where I’m confused. If he didn’t know and had no way of knowing I’m not cool with punishment. If he should have known then you can maybe go with what we are at now or so. If he did know he should be fired.

Now with this other team thing to me it sounds like someone is trying to take down the AD.

 

[Acylum]

I was looking for the Northwestern thread just to post - "hey, sounds like NW runs their program just like Iowa". Now I know why I couldn't find the thread, OP made the connection days ago.

Good point. I added to the title. Kind of blew up after I started the thread.

 

[Jeremy]

From what I was seeing it was limited. That’s where I’m confused. If he didn’t know and had no way of knowing I’m not cool with punishment. If he should have known then you can maybe go with what we are at now or so. If he did know he should be fired.

Now with this other team thing to me it sounds like someone is trying to take down the AD.

I think it goes back to the HC to instill a culture and have peer accountability on the team. Absolutely he can't be everywhere or control what kids do, but the culture should be built (especially after how long he's been there) to minimize or prevent things like this starting with the upperclassmen, captains, etc. They help spread and enforce that culture as peers.

And if you don't buy into any of that, then there's the old saying that the buck stops at the top.

 

[alarson]

I think it goes back to the HC to instill a culture and have peer accountability on the team. Absolutely he can't be everywhere or control what kids do, but the culture should be built (especially after how long he's been there) to minimize or prevent things like this starting with the upperclassmen, captains, etc. They help spread and enforce that culture as peers.

And if you don't buy into any of that, then there's the old saying that the buck stops at the top.

Yeah, I always find it hard to believe when programs try to play the 'coach didnt know' card. These guys at this level come off as control freaks who are very detail-oriented. From instilling a culture to ensure it wouldnt happen among players, to making sure other staff are on the lookout to nip that **** in the bud quickly, etc, multiple points of failure have to exist for things like this to go on for any length of time. More often than not, if they didn't know its because they actively didn't want to.

 

[Urbandale2013]

I think it goes back to the HC to instill a culture and have peer accountability on the team. Absolutely he can't be everywhere or control what kids do, but the culture should be built (especially after how long he's been there) to minimize or prevent things like this starting with the upperclassmen, captains, etc. They help spread and enforce that culture as peers.

And if you don't buy into any of that, then there's the old saying that the buck stops at the top.

If it was widespread then I agree. If it was some small stuff then I don’t know. Like I said what I was seeing before today was really minor stuff. If it is going to grow then that changes everything.

 

[Acylum]

I think it goes back to the HC to instill a culture and have peer accountability on the team. Absolutely he can't be everywhere or control what kids do, but the culture should be built (especially after how long he's been there) to minimize or prevent things like this starting with the upperclassmen, captains, etc. They help spread and enforce that culture as peers.

And if you don't buy into any of that, then there's the old saying that the buck stops at the top.

Curious what you think of the gambling situation in our FB program. I’m absolutely not equating the two things. But I’ll admit I’m getting a little tired of the whole ‘culture’ and ‘winning in the margins’ talk.

 

[werdnamanhill]

Curious what you think of the gambling situation in our FB program. I’m absolutely not equating the two things. But I’ll admit I’m getting a little tired of the whole ‘culture’ and ‘winning in the margins’ talk.

Well, it seems the gamblers have been punished by apparently not participating in camp if rumors are true. I've no doubt that Campbell sees to it that those players face appropriate punishment for how they hurt the team. That's a good culture. No matter how good of a culture, sometimes things happen. The culture determines how you deal with them and rebound from them.

 

[Acylum]

Well, it seems the gamblers have been punished by apparently not participating in camp if rumors are true. I've no doubt that Campbell sees to it that those players face appropriate punishment for how they hurt the team. That's a good culture. No matter how good of a culture, sometimes things happen. The culture determines how you deal with them and rebound from them.

The most disheartening thing to me is the de facto leader of the team is involved. After making numerous poor on-field decisions last year.

 

[mitchforcy]

Well, it seems the gamblers have been punished by apparently not participating in camp if rumors are true. I've no doubt that Campbell sees to it that those players face appropriate punishment for how they hurt the team. That's a good culture. No matter how good of a culture, sometimes things happen. The culture determines how you deal with them and rebound from them.

As a veteran player not having to participate in camp is a reward.

 

[Acylum]

As a veteran player not having to participate in camp is a reward.

I’d have been heartbroken to miss two-a-days in 90° heat.

 

[Jeremy]

If it was widespread then I agree. If it was some small stuff then I don’t know. Like I said what I was seeing before today was really minor stuff. If it is going to grow then that changes everything.

Curious what you think of the gambling situation in our FB program. I’m absolutely not equating the two things. But I’ll admit I’m getting a little tired of the whole ‘culture’ and ‘winning in the margins’ talk.

I think these are the counter to what I put above. Wide-scale things shouldn't occur within a program that has a proper culture and peer-based responsibility share. I think the HC is responsible for preaching and enforcing that culture at every level, to make players feel accountable to and for each other.

That will never stop individual players (or coaches) from making bad decisions, or even a small group (let's say single digits) from doing something bad together.

But those should be isolated, non-systemic issues confined to a few bad apples in a defined short time period.

This is like Kirk constantly saying he had a blind spot to the systemic racism at Iowa. ********, when it involved multiple coaches over many years against many players, it's systemic and known. And if not, then he did not do his job by ensuring the right people had checks and balances, an avenue to escalate things, and a willingness to listen without fear of retribution.

 

[ripvdub]

He gone!

 

[JP4CY]

Wow

 

[simply1]

That turned quickly.

 

[Remo Gaggi]

Brian Ferentz on the short list?

 

[JP4CY]

Well now do they have a player's exodus?

 

[JP4CY]

 

[wenkeej]

Private schools (and public ones that try to get away with it) will protect/deflect until whatever the issue is becomes very public. Then they have to do something to save face. Similar to Baylor and Briles. Not the same sort of offense, just situation.

 

[cycloner29]

Northwestern = low standards
Iowa= no standards

Kirk should have been gone a couple years ago, but instead somebody else took the fall for him.

 

[Acylum]

You’d almost think at some point people would stop buying into the b1g’s “Holier than thou” persona. Almost.