No Alcohol Problem with Hawks

[cmhawks99]

Looks like they picked up another pretty good recruit yesterday. Kid out of Wisconsin who had offers from Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota and even ISU. In all honesty, I really don't think these alcohol related issues have that big of an impact on recruiting. It may raise a few eyebrows, but at the end of the day I think it's more about the team's on-field success, history, player development, number of players in the NFL, coaching, community and academic opportunities.

It doesn't in the grand scheme of things and really it shouldn’t unless you are planning on toeing the line. Really if you think about it, if some other idiot gets in trouble why should it affect me or my decision unless I think I might be “influencedâ€￾ in which case that says more about that individual than anything.

The only other alternative would be if parents & recruits thought it was an institutionalized thing with the police department and I don’t think anyone believes that do they?!?!?

All in all a very honest assessment.

Chad

 

[hawkfan]

That definately would work IMO. But you will NEVER see it happen. We're talking money people... the almighty dollar. What could be more important in life than that?

If KF implemented this plan, his recruiting would suffer immensely. What football player would come to Iowa if they couldn't ever go down to the ped mall? Next to none. And then Iowa would suffer on the football field as the talent level declined. Yes, there would be fewer arrests, but the wins would go down. When the wins go down, the fans become upset and stop going. Ticket sales decline and no money comes in from bowl games anymore. Get the picture?

It's the problem that schools like Iowa and ISU have to face. As much as Iowa thinks they are a top level program.... they are not. Kids do NOT want to come from Florida, Texas, and California to Iowa to play football if they can go somewhere else for the most part.

However... if you find out that you can go to bars when you're a freshman, you can live in subsidized housing so you have more money in your pocket, and if you get into trouble it will usually be handled "internally", then you can lure some of these players to your program. Simple as that.

Winning is usually greater than doing things the right way. And unless you are a top tier program... you usually cannot do both. Pretty simple folks.

No, it isn't as simple as that. Iowa would recruit well as long as they continue to put guys in the NFL an finish in the top half of the Big Ten, regardless of their policy on letting kids go out to the bars (or living in subsidized housing for that matter). My above post (that I posted before reading yours), is a far more accurate depiction of why things won't change.

If you come down on kids for drinking, it can hurt your chances of winning, if you don't win, you make less money - that is the reason these offenses aren't being handled as seriously as some fans would like them to be.

 

[Clonehomer]

There are 25,000 thousand or so kids enrolled at Iowa, 85-100 of which are on the football team.

What if it's one of the other 24,900 kids? Will you be as upset and militant about it then?

Are the other 24,900 kids drinking and getting in trouble at the same rate as the football team. That would make about 8000 arrests in the past 3 years by the entire student body, including 500 students arrested for rape, and 750 students arrested for credit card fraud. If that is indeed happening, then I agree the problem isn't with problem with the football team. It's with the university as a whole.

 

[Dryburn]

There are 25,000 thousand or so kids enrolled at Iowa, 85-100 of which are on the football team.

What if it's one of the other 24,900 kids? Will you be as upset and militant about it then?

Yeah, I will be, won't you? I will be upset if any kid were killed in an accident from drinking. I was upset years back when an ISU student basically drank himself to death.

The point here is what will it take for the Athletic Department and Hawk fans to admit that there is a problem? Obviously it is going to take something more than what has happened so far when you have a top Athletic Department official come out and say it is just some people "making bad choices". What kind of message does that send to the players?

Militant..........that made me laugh!

 

[TarHeelHawk]

Yeah, I will be, won't you? I will be upset if any kid were killed in an accident from drinking. I was upset years back when an ISU student basically drank himself to death.

The point here is what will it take for the Athletic Department and Hawk fans to admit that there is a problem? Obviously it is going to take something more than what has happened so far when you have a top Athletic Department official come out and say it is just some people "making bad choices". What kind of message does that send to the players?

Militant..........that made me laugh!

My point is that it would be more likely that something like that happens to a member of the general student body, the percentages would say so.

Like another poster has said, I'm not going to get all bent out of shape and stand on the soapbox about college age kids doing what college kids do - which is drink.

Even if Kirk were to implement a ban on the football team going to the ped mall, guess what - those other 24,900 kids will have just as much access to it as they did before, so how would that solve the problem?

 

[cmhawks99]

True. And that is why leading the nation in football player arrests is no big deal to the university, KF, or the fans.

As long as Iowa can still lure good football players to IC, and they still finish just above .500 on the field, nobody will care that the Hawkeyes are the new Miami Hurricanes from the 80's.

KF has already said that this is no big deal, it's only in the media because we live in a hell hole in Iowa with nothing better to do.... and now Mims confirms what KF says by saying it's no big deal. Hmmmm... and people wonder why they still have a problem down there???? Duhh.

This always makes me chuckle................talk about telling yourself what you want to hear. ISU fans say, just win baby, and then one pops in with the obligatory “January Bowl commentâ€￾ and another tosses in the “just above .500 commentâ€￾

Honestly the media perpetuates the January Bowl thing so your gripe is with them………

The just above .500 thing would be laughable oi some ISU fans didn’t actually believe it….In 2007 if Iowa fans used back history there’d have been a “foulâ€￾ called, but now since we were 9-4 last year I guess it’s ok to go back a few years…….hmmmmmm

Finally the media reports what they think is news worthy and ANOTHER Iowa arrest is that for sure. As a general rule though they don’t care outside the state. If you are finding they do it is because you are fishing for it plain and simple. They don’t report Alcohol related offenses if it is 1 or 2 or even 5 at ISU or IU or Minne, etc……………No one cars and it isn’t an epidemic.

Yes Iowa has been an epidemic and it is indeed news worthy. It isn’t however earth shattering. Nor really was the credit card deal……………….nor was the drug situation. All together it is a lot definitely. The supreme irony here is Douglass and Bowman were 2 of our 3 or 4 best WR and they got suspended even before it was brought to trial, yet KF doesn’t discipline. Honestly 90% of everyone on both sides only sees what they want. I respect those that see it all and there are some ISU fans on here who do just that

What would you do…………………………I know as a parent I wouldn’t blame the coaches, but hey that’s just me. I’m big on “personalâ€￾ accountability, not institutionalized.

Chad

 

[Dryburn]

TarHeel Hawk-

Those other 24,900 are not as much in the public eye, and you know it. Also, most of them are not on full-ride scholarships and representing the University as much in the public eye as the football players do.

I realize college kids drink.......duh.....so did I when I was in college. But to have University officials come out and act like there is no problem when your football team has one of the highest arrest rates in the country is moronic at best.

I have asked several times, and still have not gotten an answer. How many arrests will it take, or what crime needs to be committed, or how many innocent people or players will have to be seriously hurt or even killed before Hawk fans admit there might be a problem that needs to be fixed? Or does the answer change depending on the number of wins each year, and which bowl the team gets?

 

[clonedude]

Yeah, I will be, won't you? I will be upset if any kid were killed in an accident from drinking. I was upset years back when an ISU student basically drank himself to death.

The point here is what will it take for the Athletic Department and Hawk fans to admit that there is a problem? Obviously it is going to take something more than what has happened so far when you have a top Athletic Department official come out and say it is just some people "making bad choices". What kind of message does that send to the players?

Militant..........that made me laugh!

You've heard it here first... from Hawkeye fans themselves... the almighty dollar is more important than honor and integrity. Plain and simple. At least they admit it.

It doesn't matter that alcohol is one of the biggest killers in the country. How many times have you heard from them.... "it's only an alcohol arrest, no big deal"? That is... until it kills an innocent family of four or something? Then will people be asking why Iowa hasn't been tougher all this time? You bet they will... but unfortunately it will be too late then.

What if KF's own son ends up killing someone while drunk driving on his 3rd alcohol related arrest? Will the public and media then be questioning how this has all been handled? Probably. But it won't matter to whoever is killed, will it?

 

[cmhawks99]

If Iowa admitted they had a problem down there, it would hurt recruiting pretty bad IMO. So best to cover it up, put a good spin on it, keep things secret in court with payoffs, and let the recruits keep on coming.

Don't mess with football in IC folks. People have been fired from their jobs for wanting to do things the right way down there.

Yowzzaaa that says a lot about what we are dealing with right here. How about that lunar landing filmed in the Arizona desert?!?!?

By the by they need to up the money because it apparently ain't enuff!

Chad

 

[Cycloin]

This always makes me chuckle................talk about telling yourself what you want to hear. ISU fans say, just win baby, and then one pops in with the obligatory “January Bowl comment” and another tosses in the “just above .500 comment”

Honestly the media perpetuates the January Bowl thing so your gripe is with them………In central Iowa, that "media" is often Jon Miller. And that's not a shot at Jon, but he has the morning show on KxNO, and does the updates on WHO. He is, in fact, media and a Hawk fan. And I've heard many Hawk fans recite the January Bowl line over and over.

The just above .500 thing would be laughable oi some ISU fans didn’t actually believe it….In 2007 if Iowa fans used back history there’d have been a “foul” called, but now since we were 9-4 last year I guess it’s ok to go back a few years…….hmmmmmm I think this is a valid point, Chad.

Finally the media reports what they think is news worthy and ANOTHER Iowa arrest is that for sure. As a general rule though they don’t care outside the state. If you are finding they do it is because you are fishing for it plain and simple. They don’t report Alcohol related offenses if it is 1 or 2 or even 5 at ISU or IU or Minne, etc……………No one cars and it isn’t an epidemic. But some have made national news.

Yes Iowa has been an epidemic and it is indeed news worthy. It isn’t however earth shattering. Nor really was the credit card deal……………….nor was the drug situation. All together it is a lot definitely. The supreme irony here is Douglass and Bowman were 2 of our 3 or 4 best WR and they got suspended even before it was brought to trial, yet KF doesn’t discipline. Honestly 90% of everyone on both sides only sees what they want. I respect those that see it all and there are some ISU fans on here who do just that

What would you do…………………………I know as a parent I wouldn’t blame the coaches, but hey that’s just me. I’m big on “personal” accountability, not institutionalized. Agree on personal responsibility, but leadership has to enter into the equation at some point.

Chad

 

[cmhawks99]

Yes. All actions are being pursued. That is, except actually confronting the problem and dealing with it. As my sainted mother used to say:"if everyone you knew was jumping off a bridge, would you?"

Tell me a little about this, because no one ever does. I was raised in the attitude that I'm accountable for my actions. And yet I still did what ever I wanted damn the consequences and they were severe. My Dad beat me around the yard for 30 minutes one morning at 3:00 AM.

You tell me what will work and I will listen. Unfortunately you can't so I wont. If a NFL caliber linemen with a allegedly good up bringing is unfettered by the fall out why would anyone else be.

He potentially lost 100000 dollars worth of draft position. He had to call his folks which would have sucked. He had to call his coach who has to be worn out with it all, his name was blasted about the paper etc, etc, etc………If those things weren’t deterrents nothing would have been.

You yahoo’s are quick to point out problems but you have no solutions. Proving you only wish to maim.

Chad

 

[cmhawks99]

Are the other 24,900 kids drinking and getting in trouble at the same rate as the football team. That would make about 8000 arrests in the past 3 years by the entire student body, including 500 students arrested for rape, and 750 students arrested for credit card fraud. If that is indeed happening, then I agree the problem isn't with problem with the football team. It's with the university as a whole.

Whoa, whoa here friend........................A whole lot more goes into this equation that you are assuming. Factor in repeat offenders to start with. Furthermore, you honestly have no clue how many of these arrests happen. It is indeed a huge number. When I went to Ames in my little party alone we had a number of arrests. Nice try though………

Chad

 

[CycloneErik]

Tell me a little about this, because no one ever does. I was raised in the attitude that I'm accountable for my actions. And yet I still did what ever I wanted damn the consequences and they were severe. My Dad beat me around the yard for 30 minutes one morning at 3:00 AM.

You tell me what will work and I will listen. Unfortunately you can't so I wont. If a NFL caliber linemen with a allegedly good up bringing is unfettered by the fall out why would anyone else be.

He potentially lost 100000 dollars worth of draft position. He had to call his folks which would have sucked. He had to call his coach who has to be worn out with it all, his name was blasted about the paper etc, etc, etc………If those things weren’t deterrents nothing would have been.

You yahoo’s are quick to point out problems but you have no solutions. Proving you only wish to maim.

Chad

The solution has been offered multiple times: Tell the kids to stay out of the bars, and then put the hammer down on the ones who disobey, regardless of position. Proving that you see what you want to see, but don't have the ability to comprehend what's right in front of you.

 

[cmhawks99]

Cycloin

See here is a guy that is well spoken and thinks things out. I can follow your thoughts. Good job!

Chad

 

[Cycloin]

Tell me a little about this, because no one ever does. I was raised in the attitude that I'm accountable for my actions. And yet I still did what ever I wanted damn the consequences and they were severe. My Dad beat me around the yard for 30 minutes one morning at 3:00 AM.

You tell me what will work and I will listen. Unfortunately you can't so I wont. What about banning players from the ped mall? Apparently Pelini has done this at Nebby. If a NFL caliber linemen with a allegedly good up bringing is unfettered by the fall out why would anyone else be.

He potentially lost 100000 dollars worth of draft position. He had to call his folks which would have sucked. He had to call his coach who has to be worn out with it all, his name was blasted about the paper etc, etc, etc………If those things weren’t deterrents nothing would have been. They can't be deterrents after the fact.

You yahoo’s are quick to point out problems but you have no solutions. Proving you only wish to maim. This is pretty venomous for you, Chad, not to mention specious.

Chad

 

[cmhawks99]

The solution has been offered multiple times: Tell the kids to stay out of the bars, and then put the hammer down on the ones who disobey, regardless of position. Proving that you see what you want to see, but don't have the ability to comprehend what's right in front of you.

Still wont work................you know it, I know it and everyone knows. We were told not to drink, because it's against the law and we will be booted. Guess what we still did it.

Plus if I'm not mistaken the ped mall has indeed be off limits before. Some Iowa fans will need to clarify it, but a few years back that was indeed the case I believe. It sounds great but it won't work

Please don't question by vision Eric..........my mantra has stayed consistent and I take great pains to be fair and honest with myself and others. Many of your compatriots don’t and you can tell by their comments. I have no issue with you in particular other than this is to close to your heart. I care more about humanity and compassion and truthful evaluation than the Iowa football team. If they go 4-8 next year I wont be on a message board complaining about it.

If I thought your plan would work so I wouldn’t have to listen to countless ISU fans whine and moan about it continually I’d be all for it. Iowa can absorb losing 1 CB and 1 OT………….you guys are using it as an excuse as to why you suck. The only thing is it really is unfair and unjust punishment for the responsible “others†and I’d take offense to it for sure as would you or anyone else.
　
Chad

 

[CycloneErik]

Still wont work................you know it, I know it and everyone knows. We were told not to drink, because it's against the law and we will be booted. Guess what we still did it.

Plus if I'm not mistaken the ped mall has indeed be off limits before. Some Iowa fans will need to clarify it, but a few years back that was indeed the case I believe. It sounds great but it won't work

Please don't question by vision Eric..........my mantra has stayed consistent and I take great pains to be fair and honest with myself and others. Many of your compatriots don’t and you can tell by their comments. I have no issue with you in particular other than this is to close to your heart. I care more about humanity and compassion and truthful evaluation than the Iowa football team. If they go 4-8 next year I wont be on a message board complaining about it.

If I thought your plan would work so I wouldn’t have to listen to countless ISU fans whine and moan about it continually I’d be all for it. Iowa can absorb losing 1 CB and 1 OT………….you guys are using it as an excuse as to why you suck. The only thing is it really is unfair and unjust punishment for the responsible “others†and I’d take offense to it for sure as would you or anyone else.
　
Chad

Fine. There is no solution. If there were a problem, things are as good as they can be. We are yahoos. Everything is fine.

 

[cmhawks99]

Cycloin


“â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾You yahoo’s are quick to point out problems but you have no solutions. Proving you only wish to maim. This is pretty venomous for you, Chad, not to mention specious.

Chadâ€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾â€￾
　
Yes quite true and I do apologize. I guess I should avoid these threads if I’m going to be up in arms. I love debate, but many don’t evaluate this stuff truthfully. As for the ped mall, I said in another post I think KF has done this before, but it wasn’t affective if memory serves and it really is cruel and unjust punishment for the responsible “othersâ€￾

Chad

 

[DJK15]

You guys can complain about this "problem" all you want. In the end, the opinions of only 2 groups matter - the NCAA and incoming recruits - and guess what, they don't care. If there was a problem, the NCAA would have stepped in and Iowa wouldn't be bringing in what looks to be one of their best classes ever. End of story.

 

[Aclone]

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