Nick Noskowiak

[Gunnerclone]

It is perfectly reasonable and not that hard to figure out why we are interested in him now. That is the easy part.

My questions are why weren't we interested before, and why wasn't anyone else ever interested?

When he first decommitted form Marquette he was a top 60 ranked player, and we didn't even bother to try recruiting him. When he got out of his LOI, we didn't bother to recruit him.

I find it hard to believe Hoiberg was turning him away without some other reason, but he doesn't seem that risky. And I find it hard to believe almost no other schools in the country were willing to take that risk as well.

I think you're looking at it wrong. I think it's more NN's level of interest in us with TJ vs. without TJ. Look no further than Darien Williams for your proof of how these things work. I look at like this, NN's list was us and Marquette and he would have been ours earlier if TJ would have stayed. That didn't happen so he went to Marquette.

We have no way of knowing if NN told all of those schools from Goodman's tweet that he wasn't interested in them. Unless you feel that Goodman was lying then your second question is stupid. The kid has a right to only want to go to ISU or USC at that point. I don't know what line of work you are in but when it comes to nut-cutting time there's nothing more detrimental to all parties involved to not have the end game relatively stream-lined. I mean, he probably could have wasted a lot of those school's time and a lot of his time, I don't know why you find it as a negative.

Like I said, you're problem is that you can't see ISU as a place that a top 100 kid would just put it all out there for. He runs a big risk of not ending up with the girl he likes at 2:00am if he's still dancing with everyone else at 1:59.

 

[GiantMidget]

DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT WE HAD ENOUGH GUARDS UNTIL CUSTER TRANSFERRED?

+1 to this guy

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Your biggest problem is that you're stating a lot of stuff as fact, when in reality you know about 2% of what has gone on with his recruiting. Maybe some day you'll find your answer. Good luck on your impossible journey.

What have I stated as fact that isn't? Genuinely curious.

 

[CarlHungus]

I know USC is not a basketball power, and I'm also no logistics expert, but I'm guessing they wouldn't recruit a kid from Wisconsin unless they thought he was pretty good. He had interest from decent programs, but there are a lot of examples of top 100 guys not getting offers from well known basketball powers. Here is one
http://sports.yahoo.com/usc/basketball/recruiting/player-Georges-Niang-117208

 

[GiantMidget]

I think you're looking at it wrong. I think it's more NN's level of interest in us with TJ vs. without TJ. Look no further than Darien Williams for your proof of how these things work. I look at like this, NN's list was us and Marquette and he would have been ours earlier if TJ would have stayed. That didn't happen so he went to Marquette.

We have no way of knowing if NN told all of those schools from Goodman's tweet that he wasn't interested in them. Unless you feel that Goodman was lying then your second question is stupid. The kid has a right to only want to go to ISU or USC at that point. I don't know what line of work you are in but when it comes to nut-cutting time there's nothing more detrimental to all parties involved to not have the end game relatively stream-lined. I mean, he probably could have wasted a lot of those school's time and a lot of his time, I don't know why you find it as a negative.

Like I said, you're problem is that you can't see ISU as a place that a top 100 kid would just put it all out there for. He runs a big risk of not ending up with the girl he likes at 2:00am if he's still dancing with everyone else at 1:59.

You are rambling

 

[Doc]

DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT WE HAD ENOUGH GUARDS UNTIL CUSTER TRANSFERRED?

Hey now, McDermott found Wesley Johnson this late in the recruiting process. That means Hoiberg should be able to find somebody better, right?

 

[Gunnerclone]

You are rambling

Got no time to for spreading roots
The time has come to be gone
And to our health we drank a thousand times
It's time to ramble on

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I think you're looking at it wrong. I think it's more NN's level of interest in us with TJ vs. without TJ. Look no further than Darien Williams for your proof of how these things work. I look at like this, NN's list was us and Marquette and he would have been ours earlier if TJ would have stayed. That didn't happen so he went to Marquette.

We have no way of knowing if NN told all of those schools from Goodman's tweet that he wasn't interested in them. Unless you feel that Goodman was lying then your second question is stupid. The kid has a right to only want to go to ISU or USC at that point. I don't know what line of work you are in but when it comes to nut-cutting time there's nothing more detrimental to all parties involved to not have the end game relatively stream-lined. I mean, he probably could have wasted a lot of those school's time and a lot of his time, I don't know why you find it as a negative.

Like I said, you're problem is that you can't see ISU as a place that a top 100 kid would just put it all out there for. He runs a big risk of not ending up with the girl he likes at 2:00am if he's still dancing with everyone else at 1:59.

I think you are misunderstanding me.

It makes perfect sense that NN would want to come to ISU after TJ came back and Custer transferred. What doesn't make sense to me that before those two events happened, why was there no movement with him and any other school? No leaked sources that Custer is considering UNLV, or Minnesota or someone else. Just that initial tweet.

It seems that either NN said no to all those schools or all those schools said no to NN.



I didn't plan this to this huge thread about it, everyone just kept replying the same exact thing to me over and over and I replied to everyone, probably shouldn't have.

 

[GiantMidget]

Got no time to for spreading roots
The time has come to be gone
And to our health we drank a thousand times
It's time to ramble on

cool dont patch that leak in your stoma

 

[Redman97]

I'll admit that I hope we get this guy for his name alone.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I know USC is not a basketball power, and I'm also no logistics expert, but I'm guessing they wouldn't recruit a kid from Wisconsin unless they thought he was pretty good. He had interest from decent programs, but there are a lot of examples of top 100 guys not getting offers from well known basketball powers. Here is one
http://sports.yahoo.com/usc/basketball/recruiting/player-Georges-Niang-117208

Glad you brought that up. Niang got TONS of late interest from schools. Kentucky even got involved IIRC.

And Niang is right near where NN is ranked. So why so much late interest in Niang but not NN? That is exactly my point. Thank you.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I don't see them as all that similar honestly. Custer is 3 inches shorter and was more of a pure PG in college. Noskiowiak is more of a combo and I would guess he at least starts his career off with a lot of 3 point shooting.

After his initial decommit I can see why he wouldn't be interested in ISU, but this February it makes less sense.

Good to have someone actually bring up some salient points though without pretending I'm burying the kid to prop up your own argument.

They are different, which is why regardless of rankings NN is a better prospect IMO. NN's value is largely from being able to play pg so there was significant positional overlap and imo in terms of risk of not contributing at a high Big 12 level, they are similar enough that we were looking for something different (particularly with MA's recruiting). The too msny guard argument is really that we had too many role player guards. Had NN been a top talent, we would have had no problem taking him. He still isn't, but we now don't have Custer's redundancy and NN is low hanging fruit in a time of scarcity
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A Custer for Noskowiak swap is a positive IMO, especially in lieu of our SG hip surgeries.

 

[CarlHungus]

Glad you brought that up. Niang got TONS of late interest from schools. Kentucky even got involved IIRC.

And Niang is right near where NN is ranked. So why so much late interest in Niang but not NN? That is exactly my point. Thank you.

This is news to me. The reality is that our best 3 players didn't have overwhelming offers (even though they were ranked at 4 stars)

http://sports.yahoo.com/lsu/basketball/recruiting/player-Monte-Morris-112003
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jameel-McKay-132555

To answer your original question, know one really knows why "bigger" programs haven't expressed more interest, but given their track record, I think I'll trust Fred and TJ's evaluation on this kid if they think he is worthy of a scholarship.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I think you are misunderstanding me.

It makes perfect sense that NN would want to come to ISU after TJ came back and Custer transferred. What doesn't make sense to me that before those two events happened, why was there no movement with him and any other school? No leaked sources that Custer is considering UNLV, or Minnesota or someone else. Just that initial tweet.

It seems that either NN said no to all those schools or all those schools said no to NN.



I didn't plan this to this huge thread about it, everyone just kept replying the same exact thing to me over and over and I replied to everyone, probably shouldn't have.

I think if you feel like that is the case you are being naive. Just look at the recruiting thread and look at how long it is between anything coming out that is relevant about a recruit. Do you think that there is nothing going on in between those reports? As big as recruiting has gotten the people that report on it are still dealing with 16-18 year olds in high school, it's amazing that there is as much decorum as there appears to be when it comes to that.

 

[GiantMidget]

Glad you brought that up. Niang got TONS of late interest from schools. Kentucky even got involved IIRC.

And Niang is right near where NN is ranked. So why so much late interest in Niang but not NN? That is exactly my point. Thank you.

You act like all recruiting situations are black and white. There is way more variability than you think. Trying to compare NN to an ISU recruit in the past 4 years is stupid because the sample size is tiny. This is the reason why I asked if you were drunk. Compare apples to apples and people wont call you ********.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

They are different, which is why regardless of rankings NN is a better prospect IMO. NN's value is largely from being able to play pg so there was significant positional overlap and imo in terms of risk of not contributing at a high Big 12 level, they are similar enough that we were looking for something different (particularly with MA's recruiting). Had NN been a top talent, we would have had no problem taking him IMO. He still isn't, but we don't have Custer's redundancy and he is low hanging fruit.
A Custer for Noskowiak swap is a positive IMO, especially in lieu of our SG hip surgeries.

So we come full circle here to my original point. I think that's the most logical explanation. That schools just don't see what the recruiting services see or saw in him. And that's fine, he has way more potential than most developmental players would and we have time to let him develop.

But obviously that's not a player that would preclude you from going after impact transfers for 16/17, which we seem to be doing.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

You act like all recruiting situations are black and white. There is way more variability than you think. Trying to compare NN to an ISU recruit in the past 4 years is stupid because the sample size is tiny. This is the reason why I asked if you were drunk. Compare apples to apples and people wont call you ********.

Is it really that complicated to think that if Noskowiak was as good as everyone is saying that he would have more interest from more schools who are better? How is that so tough to understand dude?

And I'm just replying to someone who compared him to Niang. And Niang was a stud and many many schools recognized it and wasted their time recruiting him because of it, as schools are known to do when it comes to talented players.

 

[BigBake]

Is it really that complicated to think that if Noskowiak was as good as everyone is saying that he would have more interest from more schools who are better? How is that so tough to understand dude?

And I'm just replying to someone who compared him to Niang. And Niang was a stud and many many schools recognized it and wasted their time recruiting him because of it, as schools are known to do when it comes to talented players.

Yes, because you're speculating on something you know zip about. There's just too many possibilities to know one way or another.

All you need to know is Fred and TJ are interested enough to bring him to campus. They know 5 gazillion times more about basketball and what to recruit. I'll go with that approach instead of "he is a crappy player no one else recruited so why are we going after him after these other schools didn't"type of speculation.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Is it really that complicated to think that if Noskowiak was as good as everyone is saying that he would have more interest from more schools who are better? How is that so tough to understand dude?

And I'm just replying to someone who compared him to Niang. And Niang was a stud and many many schools recognized it and wasted their time recruiting him because of it, as schools are known to do when it comes to talented players.

If you can go through every school you deem good enough that should have been after NN and run down their guard situation and their scholarship situations I would be more inclined to come to that conclusion dependent on the outcome.

 

[GiantMidget]

Is it really that complicated to think that if Noskowiak was as good as everyone is saying that he would have more interest from more schools who are better? How is that so tough to understand dude?

And I'm just replying to someone who compared him to Niang. And Niang was a stud and many many schools recognized it and wasted their time recruiting him because of it, as schools are known to do when it comes to talented players.

Again, things are not always simply black and white as you are trying to convey. I think NN will be well worth it but I have no evidence to go off of. Just as you have no evidence to say he is a bust. It just comes down to HS recruiting being so unpredictable. Either of us could be right but hindsight is 20-20.