New BB Commit...Why I'm excited

Another fair point, since this is your opinion. Let me express my opinion: It is ridiculous for fans here to stand in judgment on Mac and his assistants when those judgments are based on virtually zero information. I find such fan pronouncements incredulous . . . and I am amazed by them.

If you grant yourself permission to say "this," certainly you grant me permission to say "that." Don't you?


Did this cost WM his job? Where were you on that one?
 
You were polite but your posts are belittling. Your posts reek of a high and mighty attitude that is coupled with your use of elephantine words. I could go on.

I believe that human communication is fraught with error and often leads to misunderstanding. I attempt to be straightforward and clear, and concise. I do not claim to achieve those goals.

If my posts reek of a high and mighty attitude, what of it? This is a message board, and, until I am told differently, I assume that I am free to post here.

You believe I have a high and mighty attitude; you are going to have to live with it if you choose to read my posts. Read them or don't read them. I have never asserted that I possess the absolute truth about any subject, so I do not think myself high and mighty. Just the opposite.

. . . I don't know why we can't have questions about a recruit.

Have them. I have not said that you should not have them. I have said that I wonder why you have them, because I am curious about the way some people think.

. . . they also felt good enough about Mike Taylor, Wesley Johnson, Dodie Dunson, Corey McIntosh, Cory Johnson, Marcus Brister, and Clayton Vette. . . . Greg McDermott is not God, he's not infallable, and thus he can make mistakes.

A fair point. No doubt (imho). My point, which I believe is also fair, is that I wonder why people here so adamantly post firm opinions about subjects on which they have almost no information.

I do not say they cannot do it (I am powerless to enforce such a decision, and would not do it if I could). I wonder why they do it. That is all.
 
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Did this cost WM his job? Where were you on that one?

You know, I intended to say that I'm talking about internal coaching decisions, I intended to say that, for myself, I can judge the staff only by its W-L record. But, I didn't get that out. My failure.

I thought the book should not have been closed on Morgan's coaching tenure, that it was not a fair decision to make when it was made.

Also, though, in keeping consistent with myself, I acknowledged that JP certainly had the inside, pertinent information on which to make the decision.

No black and white in human affairs (imho), all gray.
 
You know, I intended to say that I'm talking about internal coaching decisions, I intended to say that, for myself, I can judge the staff only by its W-L record. But, I didn't get that out. My failure.

I thought the book should not have been closed on Morgan's coaching tenure, that it was not a fair decision to make when it was made.

Also, though, in keeping consistent with myself, I acknowledged that JP certainly had the inside, pertinent information on which to make the decision.

No black and white in human affairs (imho), all gray.

I just couldn't resist trying to steer the conversation in this direction. Just stirring the pot.
 
I do not say they cannot do it (I am powerless to enforce such a decision, and would not do it if I could). I wonder why they do it. That is all.

You wonder why people post opinions on a message board? Do you understand how message boards work? I'm being serious here. I'm wondering why you continue to post the same thing over and over again as well. But I don't continually ask the same thing over and over.

I should have made myself more clear - I don't really have a problem with the high and mighty attitude, it amuses me. I think you use you phrase your posts so that it belittles others who do not agree with you. I think you do this to try and make others feel stupid for disagreeing with you and having an opinion that doesn't involve being rank and file behind the coaching staff.

I believe that you are attempting to stifle people's opinions and I think that you're playing coy about it behind the "I'm just trying to understand why people do this" mantra.

I don't have all of the information available about every recruit and every doing of the coaching staff. I also don't know every in and out of our economy but I don't think that prevents me from forming an opinion on it. There is a lot of debate on that issue by people who are experts and spend their whole lives studying it, and I am not one of them.

I have the utmost respect for Greg McDermott and his staff. I think he's a great guy and I was thrilled when I got a chance to shake his hand. I got to meet Barak Obama and shake his hand too. It doesn't mean that I don't think he has some bad ideas even though I don't know everything there is to know about them.

If there is anything you do not understand about my stance on the issue of message boards or why we use them please feel free to PM me. But you won't, you'll continue to derail the thread.
 
One last thing - if I said, "YES! This guy is going to be awesome and carry us to the tourney!" I don't think you'd have a problem with it, even though I don't know a thing about him.
 
One last thing - if I said, "YES! This guy is going to be awesome and carry us to the tourney!" I don't think you'd have a problem with it, even though I don't know a thing about him.

So, could you two please actually carry out your debate in a thread dedicated to it, rather than discussion of a specific recruit? Or, is it just too much to ask that I don't have to wade through all of your respective posturing?
 
Thank you. (I would dislike being boring; I can't be boring and a treat simultaneously, I don't think.)



Yes, you have. Earlier in this thread. The opinion you expressed, that the coaches have ruined the next three recruiting classes (paraphrase) infers that you know more than the coaches (unless the coaches, too, believe that they have ruined their next three classes, then you are in agreement with them).

You: The next three recruiting classes are ruined.
Mac: The next three recruiting classes are not ruined.

You both claim to be correct. You disagree with Mac's opinion. Therefore, you are saying Mac is wrong.


Hey, you can say it. I'm not saying you can't say it; I'm not saying you shouldn't say it. I am saying that I am trying to understand why you think what you think. Truly, I am curious.



By all means, have that opinion. Such opinions cause me to think about the issue, and I thank you (and others here) for that. Still, I assume the coaches have professional reasons for signing the class that they did, and, personally, I know that I am in no position to dispute their decisions because I have no experience that allows me to fairly judge what they do.

But to possess a different opinion than the coaches is to believe that you are correct and they are incorrect. I cannot see how you can escape such a conclusion. You can deny it, but you cannot escape it.

Again, please note that I have been polite; because I disagree with your opinion does not mean that I am saying you are not entitled to your opinion, or that you should not express your opinion. Nowhere here have I said that; I have not said that, because I do not think that.

I have tried to be nice throughout this thread. Remember I was the one who started this thread in which I showed/explained my excitement over the new commit. But right now you are being absolutely ridiculous.

Where did I say the coaches ruined the next 3 classes? Go back and look. Never said it. Don't try and spin my comments. I said it handcuffed us in the fact that we only have one scholly left to give.

Iowa State could have one of the greatest classes ever in 2010 if Barnes commits IMO, so our classes are not ruined. Far from it. But it's hard to argue that it doesn't hinder our recruiting either. After all everybody we look at for 2010 is just going to have to wait on us for right now until we hear from Barnes.

If I disagree with your opinion, that doesn't make you wrong. Just a different view. I don't know how you can't understand that. Some coaches run man to man defense, some run zone. Does that make one right and one wrong? No. So me disagreeing with us signing 7 doesn't mean that I think I know more than Mac
 
Thank you. (I would dislike being boring; I can't be boring and a treat simultaneously, I don't think.)



Yes, you have. Earlier in this thread. The opinion you expressed, that the coaches have ruined the next three recruiting classes (paraphrase) infers that you know more than the coaches (unless the coaches, too, believe that they have ruined their next three classes, then you are in agreement with them).

You: The next three recruiting classes are ruined.
Mac: The next three recruiting classes are not ruined.

You both claim to be correct. You disagree with Mac's opinion. Therefore, you are saying Mac is wrong.

Hey, you can say it. I'm not saying you can't say it; I'm not saying you shouldn't say it. I am saying that I am trying to understand why you think what you think. Truly, I am curious.



By all means, have that opinion. Such opinions cause me to think about the issue, and I thank you (and others here) for that. Still, I assume the coaches have professional reasons for signing the class that they did, and, personally, I know that I am in no position to dispute their decisions because I have no experience that allows me to fairly judge what they do.

But to possess a different opinion than the coaches is to believe that you are correct and they are incorrect. I cannot see how you can escape such a conclusion. You can deny it, but you cannot escape it.

Again, please note that I have been polite; because I disagree with your opinion does not mean that I am saying you are not entitled to your opinion, or that you should not express your opinion. Nowhere here have I said that; I have not said that, because I do not think that.

I'm not an astronaut and I've never been to the moon but I'm pretty certain that the moon is not made of cheese...I don't need to go there and inspect it to have the certainty that I do.

Presumably, the coaches are signing players that they believe will help them win games and in turn help them increase their compensation (or at least keep their job). I am probably as certain of this as I am of the moon not being made of cheese.

Having said that, just because McDermott has experience as a coach and has had a modicum of success at other lower level coaching stops does not mean his judgment and ability to coach are infallable.
 
CyValley, Clones'85, i think the only way to settle this dispute would be to have a bareknuckles fight out by the bike rack at the end of the alley.....that would be awesome
 
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CyValley, Clones'85, i think the only way to settle this dispute would be to have a bareknuckles fight out by the bike rack at the end of the alley.....that would be awesome

Ha set it up! Can we get a Cybookie on the winner?
 
CyValley, put down the thesaurus and take a deep breath. Two people having differing opinions does not mean that one is right and the other is wrong, therefore one knows more than the other. There's a difference between fact and opinion. And all of us are entitled to opinions based on as much or little knowledge as we have of a situation. There are a lot of citizens in this country that think Bush is doing a poor job. Does this mean they think they know more about what's going on behind the walls of the White House than Bush? No. It means based on the visible results of the man's actions we can form an opinion. Same goes for McD.
 
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I think it is time for a
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Just to put the thread back on topic...I thought of the best reason of all to appreciate getting a commitment from Marquis Gilstrap.

Let's put it this way. Would you rather have Eric May?
 
What the heck does Eric May have to do with the Gilstrap committment at all?
 
What the heck does Eric May have to do with the Gilstrap committment at all?

Because everyone complains about Gilstrap being unknown. Yet at the same time, another school grabs a player who is both unknown AND...well, you fill in the blank. Let's just say that I'm reasonably certain that one player wouldn't be a quality Big XII starter, and the other one might well be.
 
Eric May will do fine but it still is irrelevant. One is a 4 year player, the other is 1 or 2.
 

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