When was the last time we got our 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd options? Who's to say he's not better than whatever '09 or '10 guy we would have gotten? Everyone likes to say that because we only have one or two scholarships for '09, that GMac is elephant hunting and we'll get a big-time player to commit. Why would that be the case? Just because we only have one guy to sign for '09 means GMac can spend more time recruiting them? Aren't they still only allowed one vist? Isn't GMac still only allowed a certain number of phone calls? This isn't a video game where you have a set number of recruiting points to use each year and GMac can choose spend them all on one, elite, player.
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When was the last time we got our 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd options? Who's to say he's not better than whatever '09 or '10 guy we would have gotten? Everyone likes to say that because we only have one or two scholarships for '09, that GMac is elephant hunting and we'll get a big-time player to commit. Why would that be the case? Just because we only have one guy to sign for '09 means GMac can spend more time recruiting them? Aren't they still only allowed one vist? Isn't GMac still only allowed a certain number of phone calls? This isn't a video game where you have a set number of recruiting points to use each year and GMac can choose spend them all on one, elite, player.
I think this is a special case. Nobody has heard of him because he hasn't played in 2 years. He's certainly not at sure thing, but we've had plenty of no-name recruits who've been great players.
Do you believe Coach Mac would agree with you? Or, do you believe his strategic viewpoint is different from yours?
And, you're positive that your position is correct, making Mac's position erroneous? If so, does that not mean that you believe Mac does not know what he's doing?
Just trying to figure out where you're coming from, what you're saying bottom line. . . .
Ok, here is another concern I have... They guy gets hurt midseason and quits. Quits school and quits basketball. I'm all for second chances and I am sure this guy has matured alot over the last few years in the real world, but I do think this says a little about his character... That said, if Kantrail says he can play, he probably can...
As stated before, I do believe that Mac knows what he is doing. He has shown that he is a good judge of early talent before others. He just needs to get that talent before others and he needs to keep them at ISU.
I also believe that he got a little over anxious with this must win now philosophy and that is why he signed 7 guys last year. It could be good for us but as I have stated previously, it really hurt us for the next couple years in recruiting. There are a lot of good players in the 2010 class that we are in on, and we are holding it for one player in Barnes. No doubt we should, but it would be nice if we had another scholly to give
Once again, I am really excited about this guy. I am guessing he has a lot of potential/skill and will be a big time player for us
Wait a second . . . just a second. The coaches know him today, particularly Coach Rob. They've vetted him (I assume), talked with people who know him today. Coach Rob, personally, has made a judgment about Marquez's reliability from observing him and talking with him.
Tell us again, how well do you know Marquez? How many times have you spoken with him, seen him play, personally been in position to take his measure? Do you not believe the coaches have made a judgment about Marquez's character, or do you think they have ignored that issue and tendered him a scholarship regardless?
Do you lean toward trusting the coaches' educated estimate of who Marquez is today, or do you lean toward trusting your uninformed (assuming you haven't personally assessed him, unless you say differently) opinion about Marquez and his suitability to be an ISU student-athlete?
I'm a stupid man, I admit it. I don't have the imagination to understand how it is some (many) fans can make sight-unseen judgments about student-athletes who commit to ISU. I'm struggling to achieve enlightenment. Perhaps you will lend me a hand with my struggle. Thank you.
CYVALLEY, all your posts are the same. Somebody questions something the coaching staff does and you are the first one to post it asking if we have any inside information. Do we know the person we are speaking about? ETC
This is a message board man. I say great things about the coaching staff, I stick up for them, but than I have questions to. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
Also, I don't see cysball question to be to out of line. You are quick to back Mac and say how they have met this new recruit, talked to him a lot and found him reliable. I am sure they have, but does that mean they still don't take chances on talented players with questionable character? What about Mike Taylor? Brister? Did they just fail to talk to those guys before they accepted a committment from them? I am in no way comparing this guy to them, but I think it is ridiculous for you to jump all over posters the way you do.
This is a message board man. I say great things about the coaching staff, I stick up for them, but than I have questions to. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
Also, I don't see cysball question to be to out of line. You are quick to back Mac and say how they have met this new recruit, talked to him a lot and found him reliable. I am sure they have, but does that mean they still don't take chances on talented players with questionable character? What about Mike Taylor? Brister? Did they just fail to talk to those guys before they accepted a committment from them? I am in no way comparing this guy to them, but I think it is ridiculous for you to jump all over posters the way you do.
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I don't think they guy will quit on us. He has another person in his life that he didn't have back when he dropped out - a kid. He's working hard in order to earn a future paycheck. I'm all for giving him a chance....I can't imagine the drive u'd have knowing that everything will effect your child.
I don't think they guy will quit on us. He has another person in his life that he didn't have back when he dropped out - a kid. He's working hard in order to earn a future paycheck. I'm all for giving him a chance....I can't imagine the drive u'd have knowing that everything will effect your child.
Fair enough, thank you for answering my question.
But, you are saying, aren't you, that Mac bungled ("he got a little over anxious") last year's recruiting class?
Serious question, then: You believe that you have a better understanding of ISU's future recruiting needs than does the four-man MBB staff at Iowa State, correct? Bottom line, you are saying that you know better than Mac, aren't you?
If you are saying this, so be it. I'll not say another word. I just would like to hear you say it, "Yes, I understand ISU's MBB future recruiting needs better than the Cyclone MBB staff understands it."
Is this not what you are saying?
(I'm curious about where some fans are coming from, which is why I ask these questions. I do appreciate your patience with my asking them.)
WOW, something set you off... I don't know him, but I have known ALOT of people that have been in similar situations. I know guys that have quit in the face of adversity and others that have faught through it. So I am basing my OPINIONS AND CONCERNS based on what I have learned from my experiences in college and professional athletics.... If you want me to blindly trust the coaches, it ain't gonna happen....
I believe consistency is a virtue, I strive to achieve it.
I am endlessly mystified by the human mind, the human condition. Genuinely, I am puzzled about how it is many persons can form hardened, passionate opinions about an individual or a situation from such a paucity of information on which to base those opinions.
If my questions should be interpreted as criticisms of this sort of inexplicable (to me) human behavior -- and they should -- I will daresay they should also be interpreted as a genuine probe, a serious attempt to understand why some people think as they do.
I did not say you should not post your opinions. But, you grant me the same consideration, don't you?
A fair point. (I don't think the staff has done this since Spring '06, but this is my opinion based on observation from a distance; I don't pretend to present it as fact, though.)
Another fair point, since this is your opinion. Let me express my opinion: It is ridiculous for fans here to stand in judgment on Mac and his assistants when those judgments are based on virtually zero information. I find such fan pronouncements incredulous . . . and I am amazed by them.
If you grant yourself permission to say "this," certainly you grant me permission to say "that." Don't you?
I don't want you to do anything. I want myself to attempt to understand such thinking. I have a reason for doing so.
For instance, I'm curious why you say something set me off. My note was polite, was it not? Did I namecall or otherwise belittle or denigrate you? Gee, I stated my opinion in response to your opinion. Is this not acceptable? As someone else here posted, this is a messageboard. Do you not welcome opinions that are contrary to your own?
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You are a treat!!
Ok, I have never said that I know more than ISU's coaches. I also don't believe that for a second. I don't know their needs better than they do. But that doesn't mean that I can't have the opinion that they hurt their ability to recruit 09 and 10 by signing so many players in last years class. Has this shown to be true? NO, but it is my OPINION. It DOES NOT mean that I think I know more that the staff. Rather a difference in opinion.
I think the question is...do you?
The reality is that, unless we have some or all of our MBB coaches posting on this board, no one on this site really "knows" what is going on inside of the MBB offices at ISU...with respect to recruiting, or anything else for that matter.
However, we all have our opinions and inclinations. Some of us base those on what we see happening with our own eyes...things that cannot be disputed...things like two losing seasons, a plethora of kids leaving the program early for one reason or another, and what appears to be having to "settle" for recruits that were not our top choice in some instances. There are plenty of sound reasons to have some doubt about whether or not our current coach is "getting it done" at ISU.
I freely admit that I don't know diddly squat about this kid. But in today's information age society I think it is a pretty big stretch to think we have found someone that virtually no one else did that is going to come in and be an All-Conference / All-American type of player. That, my friend, just defies logic...and I can say that without having ever met the kid or knowing what is in the mind's of our coaching braintrust.
Your posts make me laugh!!!:biglaugh: CyValley is very much correct here! Your opinions illustrate your lack of knowledge on the subject! If nothing else his ATTITUDE IS BY FAR BETTER! Believe it or not this a BIG get for the Iowa State Cyclones. And the last part is not my opinion, it's the coaching staffs opinion!
You were polite but your posts are belittling. Your posts reek of a high and mighty attitude that is coupled with your use of elephantine words. I could go on.
Regardless, I don't know why we can't have questions about a recruit. I don't know anything about this recruit and as I said earlier I'm excited about anybody that wants to put on the uni.
The point is that I believe the staff members are good evaluators of talent. I believe they know 10 million times more about basketball than I ever will.
Here is something I know - they also felt good enough about Mike Taylor, Wesley Johnson, Dodie Dunson, Corey McIntosh, Cory Johnson, Marcus Brister, and Clayton Vette to offer them scholarships. I think they are a lot better at their job than anybody on here offering an opinion. However since Greg McDermott is not God, he's not infallable, and thus he can make mistakes.
Thank you. (I would dislike being boring; I can't be boring and a treat simultaneously, I don't think.)
Yes, you have. Earlier in this thread. The opinion you expressed, that the coaches have ruined the next three recruiting classes (paraphrase) infers that you know more than the coaches (unless the coaches, too, believe that they have ruined their next three classes, then you are in agreement with them).
You: The next three recruiting classes are ruined.
Mac: The next three recruiting classes are not ruined.
You both claim to be correct. You disagree with Mac's opinion. Therefore, you are saying Mac is wrong.
Hey, you can say it. I'm not saying you can't say it; I'm not saying you shouldn't say it. I am saying that I am trying to understand why you think what you think. Truly, I am curious.
By all means, have that opinion. Such opinions cause me to think about the issue, and I thank you (and others here) for that. Still, I assume the coaches have professional reasons for signing the class that they did, and, personally, I know that I am in no position to dispute their decisions because I have no experience that allows me to fairly judge what they do.
But to possess a different opinion than the coaches is to believe that you are correct and they are incorrect. I cannot see how you can escape such a conclusion. You can deny it, but you cannot escape it.
Again, please note that I have been polite; because I disagree with your opinion does not mean that I am saying you are not entitled to your opinion, or that you should not express your opinion. Nowhere here have I said that; I have not said that, because I do not think that.