New 2011 Scholarship Offer
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Buckley also. Really, that class was the one that killed us. Other recruiting classes have been better.
agree. Koch was one of the biggest reasons we lost to uni. we had no answer for him. MG couldn't play defense on him, which was early in the year. Later in the year MG was a better defensive player, but he struggled guarding koch.
Not everyone agrees.
The only players I am sad to see leave have been WJ, Ham, Dunson, Lucca, and maybe CJ. They all had playing time. Other than that, we take risks on recruits (like 90% of programs do), and sometimes they do not work out. We want those players to leave. Of course, we need to minimize the misses, but you will always have misses/reaches/projects. Do you know many teams with a 13 player rotation?
Here is another (il)logical exercise:
Everyone agrees we want good players- ones with Top 25 offers.
These recruits innately prefer to not come to ISU when they have offers from these Top 25 programs.
Thus if we wait to offer until after those Top 25 programs offer, we will magically convince them to even consider ISU.
Sounds great!
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Jarrod can certainly handle the ball. He actually ran our fast break sometimes..He can handle it great for a guy his size..
I completely disagree. Having Vette or Eikmeyer leave the program isn't a bad thing. It's good that they and the coaching staff recognize their talent level and get them somewhere more appropriate.
The HUGE problem is players that start and excel leaving the program, like Wes, Hamilton or Lucca.
It seems to be that you don't want us to recruit anyone early, that we shouldn't try to find "diamonds in the rough" because they might just be rocks. But we should also only try to get players that are recruited by major schools. That sounds like a recipe to end up with no recruits at all.
In my opinion, it's never a good thing for a player to leave our program. Over the year or two they spent in our program, we could have had another player in our program developing. Nothing good comes from bringing in a kid that is a complete reach, and having them leave the program a few years after.
It's fine to have a few diamonds in the rough, but not with the situation we are in now. We have been set back 4 years by losing missed diamonds in the rough. It's left us in the situation we are in today.
There is a certain opportunity cost with those "misses", but the cost of recruiting only sure things is much greater (i.e an empty roster). Every program has to live with the opportunity cost of "misses).
And we have lived with the cost of these misses for 4 years...and apparently not learned our lesson.
As I said before, it's not the misses that are the problem, it's the "hits" that have left after they hit.
I agree that is a part of the problem, but I really think that losing the guys on the bench hurts too. They were just taking up space on the bench where someone else could have been developing, or a spot of a JuCo that could have helped right away.
No upperclassmen = No Leadership and Continuity = The past 4 years.
See bawbie's post.
Also, I do not see how "living with the cost of these misses" necessitates not allowing this staff to give early offers? Waiting until recruits have multiple major offers (players who by your definition are not reaches or projects) will not yield positive results.
Besides getting a few more dynamic guards, I have been okay with McD's recruiting. Retaining the "hits" has been a problem.
On the senior leadership thing: it was Year 4 of McD's tenure. Only one class was available to have senior leadership, and that class was thrown together at the last minute. Next year he will have DG, Boozer, JVB (3rd year in program), Scotty academically (and third year in the program). You cannot fault McD for having a player ready for the Draft before he graduates (Brackins). I will give you Lucca.
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That was why I was asking. He could be a major threat. He could be a threat with his shooting ability and free throw percentage. Magic Johnson played guard and center in the pros. Just thpught he could be utilized ebfore he put on enough weight. JVB sometimes acts like a guard.
...and probably 4 years younger.
I like what you are describing: a young player far from plateauing/ready to explode.
Well, I guess this could go either way. Maybe we get our hands on him first, and he turns out to be great. Maybe we get our hands on him first and its further proof that McD only has an eye for MVC talent. We will see...