I've been a fan of ISU football since the mid 60's. I definitely do not have an inflated view of ISU football.
National Perception
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I've been a fan of ISU football since the mid 60's. I definitely do not have an inflated view of ISU football.
IF... we don't look good down the stretch this year.... I'd be overjoyed with Bo Pelini. I made fun of him at Nebby but gained a lot of respect for him and his abilities. Plus...cat memes ftw.
You just blindly said to pay out more money. Which is absurd. The proper thing to do is to find the right coach.
I will say that with the firing of Mangino that the focus will now be on the next 5 games. That will be the window that will be looked at. The previous 7 games overlooked somewhat because of the firing of Mangino. We finish 3-2 or better in those games and there is no doubt that CPR will be retained. We finish 2-3 and it gets a lot more questionable. 1-4 or worse is almost a guarantee IMO, of CPR not being retained.
CPR is putting all his eggs in the basket at this point. Not sure whether the offense having problems and such is totally attributable to Mangino, but it appears there were differences. And changes are being made.
IMO, the team has gotten a lift from Lanning being in the game. We need any spark we can get at this point.
As far as national perception, Iowa State is a P5 job. We have upgraded our facilities tremendously to catch us up somewhat to the rest of the league. But we should not be delusional that our facilities are head and shoulders over all of our conference members. We are finally getting to the point of what they have had for years. And they are now making bigger improvements to stay ahead of us. It is still an uphill battle at Iowa State. Tough job. One of the toughest in the country.
You're one of those mouth breathers referenced in the Pollard twitter thread. You talk a big game. On here. You might be an ISU alum, but you are no fan. Good riddance.
Seriously? I can understand the frustrated with football.
But basketball? Prohm hasn't coached a game yet, and you are ready to walk away because Fred left and we have a smartass AD?
Fred leaving was Fred's choice. Accept it. Fred wanted to coach in the NBA. The window of opportunity was there. Fred advised Royce Gray to leave for the NBA because the timing was right. And it was. Fred is smart. $5 Million per year and coaching the Bulls who just defeated the Cavs in Fred's first game as coach.
So stop with the nonsense that it was someone's fault that Fred left.
If you are that fed up with things at Iowa State, then it might be best to just part ways.
Say HI to Mark Mangino when you get to where you want to go.
The reason it is a bad job is because the last 2 head coaches landed on their feet very well after leaving ISU. It is also such a bad job that assistant coaches go on to better jobs and some even go on to become head coaches.
And I was right to not hold my breath. His 2012 class was almost half Rich Rod guys that were recruited early and a lot had already committed, but it's ok, I realize that being a hok fan you think you know everything about football but really don't. History shows that under 10 Rich Rod recruits left that program. Even in his final year he had a class and a half of upper classmen (the classes that usually play the most) still on the roster.
Once again, it takes time for guys to mature into NCAA players usually...you don't see too many guys just instantly jumping from HS to the B1G and starting right away do you? The players Hoke recruited (2013 mainly) were still maturing to NCAA level players.
You can argue it all you want, but the fact is, Hoke recruited great and didn't get the time to actually get the job done. Almost impossible to completely change directions in scheme and expect a complete turnaround in 2-3 years. It's your opinion that he was terrible and it's mine that he wasn't...to be honest I couldn't care less what a hok fan has to say about what direction the ISU program should take anyway. Now go ahead and come back with some rambling whatevers...it's ok...I just don't care.
Ya darn whipper-snapper!
I say, I say...uhhh, oh yes, back in ott-5, I remember this one racey little cheer lass who wore her skirt above her knees and, and....crud, I forget.
What time is lunch?
Except we do not get to play in the B10. Geography matters. In this case, it is geography in comparison to conference peers. All of those B10 teams play against teams in similar climates. We don't. If you don't think that matters, talk to an assistant who is out recruiting. The hardest thing to do is get a recruit to campus.
The other thing is that many or most of those schools are the top dogs in their respective states - Purdue and Northwester aside. The others get the bulk of the local media attention in the state. Kids grow up wanting to play there. We don't get that.
Rutgers has no excuse to be as bad as they are. HS football in New Jersey puts out some good P5 recruits. They are the flagship school in the state. They had some level of success under Schiano to sell. They are a huge underachiever.
His results haven't been the best, but no one doubts that it was a good hire for Arkansas to lure him from Wisconsin after three Rose Bowl appearances.
You don't care because you're clueless, other ISU fans in the thread have expressed the same opinion that I have, so it isn't just a "hok" thing.
The entire premise of your first post was that he failed w/ RichRod's recruits - the undeniable fact is, as the team became more and more his own, he failed. His success was early when there were more RichRod recruits on his roster. You're initial point was so far off base it's laughable.
In addition, you state above half his 2012 class were RichRod guys, again, that is completely false. RichRod was fired on 1/6/2011. UM's earliest verbal in the 2012 class was in April of 2011 (four months after RichRod was fired):
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/commitments/2012/michigan-29
Contrary to what you state, the entire 2012 class was composed of Hoke's guys - so he had a full class of Juniors & Sophomores that were entirely his recruits in the 2014 season - he went 5-7 with two top ten recruiting classes as Juniors and Sophomores. If he manages to go 5-7 with top ten type talent in the B1G, he'd be a miserable failure at ISU.
You're entitled to your own opinion of Brady Hoke - but if you're going to act like a football Einstein about Brady Hoke, you better at least have your facts straight. I agree with you Hoke is a good recruiter, but he proved undeniably that he doesn't know how to utilize elite talent.
