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CySoup said:
Yep, because NOTHING BAD COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN......So giving a **** about the players is a crime around here?

Here are some other "lazy" football players. I mean a player only drops to the ground when they are "faking" and being "lazy" ya know.


Rod Williams
A 5-11, 300-pound junior offensive lineman known to crack up teammates by impersonating coaches, Rod Williams collapsed to the ground while waiting for his second or third turn taking on a blocking dummy in a Sept. 22 practice, according to Burke County (Ga.) High head football coach Eric Parker. It was the first drill of practice, approximately six or seven minutes in. The school’s athletic trainer, who Parker says monitors most of the team’s practices, administered CPR during an approximately seven or eight minute wait for paramedics to arrive. An ambulance took Williams to nearby Burke Medical Center, where doctors were able to stabilize him. He remained hospitalized until dying on Oct. 6.

Toney Graham
Toney Graham, who went by his middle name, Malik, and stood 6-4 and more than 300 pounds, hoped to skip the freshman football team this fall to try out for the varsity at Granite City (Ill.) High. On June 17, four days before his 14th birthday, Graham collapsed while partaking in what Granite City superintendent Jim Greenwald describes as “light stretching” before a voluntary conditioning workout in the school’s air-conditioned athletic complex. The team’s coaches and trainer called 911, and paramedics arrived on the scene within minutes, Greenwald said. (He believes a defibrillator was used.) Graham was taken to nearby Gateway Regional Medical Center, where he died less than two hours later.

Collin Kelly loved computer science, and he also loved football, which he began playing in seventh grade. On July 6, the 14-year-old offensive lineman took part in a no-helmet, no-pads conditioning practice to prepare for his sophomore season at Pike High in Indianapolis. At the end of the practice, one player told local ABC affiliate WRTV, the team ran 36 sideline-to-sideline “gassers.” Temperatures were in the mid-90s and humidity was around 50%. During a huddle after the drill, Kelly, whose father said he stood 6’1” and 190 pounds, fell to the ground. After teammates unsuccessfully tried to stand him up, the teammate told WRTV, nurses were summoned. According to his father, Chris Kelly, Collin was given CPR and taken by paramedics to nearby Peyton Manning Children’s Hospital. The next day he died of heat stroke. His father says Collin’s body temperature was 105 degrees.

Tekarian Maclin
A 6-3, 330-pound 16-year-old entering his junior year, Tekarian Maclin had been struggling during Haywood High’s summer practices in Brownsville, Tenn. On July 29, a reportedly “out of breath” Maclin called 911 from his team’s locker room at 11:28 a.m., some two hours after a full-pads practice was supposed to have ended, according to Maclin’s family’s attorney, Jeffrey Rosenblum. Maclin was nauseous and dizzy when EMTs arrived a short time later. His heart rate was measured at 180 beats per minute, and no body temperature was taken. According to Rosenblum, EMTs asked Maclin’s mother whether she wanted her son hospitalized or if she preferred to take him home to hydrate him; she opted for the latter. (Rosenblum says that Maclin’s mother was not asked to sign a form acknowledging she had been made aware of the potential severity of the situation.) Once at home, Maclin went to bathe and became unresponsive. His mother called an ambulance, which took Maclin to Le Bonheur Hospital in Memphis, where he was pronounced dead. The cause of death, Rosenblum says, was heat stroke and hyperthermia.
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Jack Trice died playing in a game. Maybe we should just scrap the program. Dont want anybody else to die out there.
 
Well this thread sucks now...

It kind of did to start with, but I would rather talk about rumors and reasons why these players are leaving.
 
WastedTalent said:
Well this thread sucks now...

It kind of did to start with, but I would rather talk about rumors and reasons why these players are leaving.
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Unfortunately its what CF has become. A giant ******* match between people over reacting.

Even though we are a day into it I think I'm going to add CF to my list of things giving up for lent.
 
FarminCy said:
Unfortunately its what CF has become. A giant ******* match between people over reacting.

Even though we are a day into it I think I'm going to add CF to my list of things giving up for lent.
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Some unintelligent people go to amazing lengths to make sure everyone else knows how unintelligent they are.

That is 90% of CF
 
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LutherBlue said:
Watch the Toledo/W. Michigan game from the end of last year. Toledo ran out of the gun in short yardage twice in crucial situations and got stuffed. Sound familiar? I don't think they were under center with an H-back or true fullback even once the entire game but our local can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Interesting thread......however;

I can't ever recall us running out of a 2 back set....we did however use an H-back effectively; which I suspect is why you recruited 3 TE's..

And please, no further references to the WMU disaster.....
 
Miniclone11 said:
I'm confused. Weren't you saying he took over a 3 win team before and built them up to way better?
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No he didn't, let me help you.

He took over a team that won 8 games in the previous 3 years and recruited better than the previous staff ever had. It happened when he was a head coach, but not while he was at Toledo....
 
WastedTalent said:
Well this thread sucks now...

It kind of did to start with, but I would rather talk about rumors and reasons why these players are leaving.
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OK. I have a totally unsubstantiated rumor to discuss. Maybe Thomas couldn't stand the fact that he now has to play for Coach Campbell who benefited from the "extra little help" he gave in running the wrong way to set up the missed FG in the game at Toledo.
 
SpokaneCY said:
His last team - from the MAC - beat mighty ISU and was ranked. That, my friend, is the proof in CMC's pudding.
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thats fine. I like him too. But he took over an already good team.

Im saying that in order to get momentum for next years recruiting, the first year is rather important. And losing our older guys will hurt our progress.
 
Cycsk said:
OK. I have a totally unsubstantiated rumor to discuss. Maybe Thomas couldn't stand the fact that he now has to play for Coach Campbell who benefited from the "extra little help" he gave in running the wrong way to set up the missed FG in the game at Toledo.
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I really doubt that.
 
Miniclone11 said:
thats fine. I like him too. But he took over an already good team.

Im saying that in order to get momentum for next years recruiting, the first year is rather important. And losing our older guys will hurt our progress.
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Meh, I pretty much wrote us off for two years. If we make 6 wins in either of those it's gravy. I think many of the posters weren't around or weren't paying attention when McCarney came here. We are no where near that poor of a program right now,(even though it may not feel that way) but it will still take time. The Machine™ was gonna have to axe a ton of dead weight when he came here. That should have been obvious for anyone who has a clue about our program.
 
BWRhasnoAC said:
Meh, I pretty much wrote us off for two years. If we make 6 wins in either of those it's gravy. I think many of the posters weren't around or weren't paying attention when McCarney came here. We are no where near that poor of a program right now,(even though it may not feel that way) but it will still take time. The Machine™ was gonna have to axe a ton of dead weight when he came here. That should have been obvious for anyone who has a clue about our program.
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CPR's last purge was just nibbling. New coach, new schemes, new expectations and the kids he signed this year are here because of the vision CMC set forth. I have zero concern CMC's recruiting will suffer unless he turns into CPR v.2 but that will take many years to play out.

Build for the future with as many kids as will buy-in to the vision.
 
CySoup said:
There is a school just East of us that just settled a lawsuit for having workouts like these. I'm all for making a team tougher, but putting players at risk aint the way to make them better.

What you described could also be considered bullying and harassment, it is a fine line. To act like it is ok to shame someone because they couldn't finish a workout is low rent. Maybe the kid was dehydrated, maybe he was sick, maybe it was health related and not just a matter of "will". Sometimes the body fails even when the mind is willing.

They used to shame guys into going back on the field like this. They used to tell them to "shake it off", when a dude came stumbling to the sideline with a concussion. Players were told to quit being such a ***** and get back out there!!!! That seems like a great way to treat players, right?
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I asked that question to my kid when he told me the story. His response was the kid, I will be kind, was lazy. I'm republican so I can't comprehend your logic. Just kidding. I know these guys and am confident they would not knowingly put anyone in harms way. My son said it was a workout, not a trek across the desert.
 
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CySoup said:
He fell down exhausted, that is what tolfbfan said. How in the world do those kids, his coaches, tolfbfan, or you know what his condition was?

It sounds exactly like the stupid ignorant people who used to tell my friend who was a HUGE hitter in high school, so just "shake it off", "get back out there", "there is nothing wrong with you", when he was obviously concussed.
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Maybe I over dramatized. It was a player who was unwilling to finish a workout. My God, you were not there either.
 
CySoup said:
I'm throwing a fit about ignorant azz hats like you. Big difference dude. I doubt every much that CMC is nearly as ignorant as you, and so I have no worries about our players. I think tolfbfan is selling a load of crap to make his son seem "tough". All college football programs are tough, not just Toledo, or ISU.....get a clue.
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He was one of a very large group of seniors and juniors who worked their ***** off when no one was watching for 4 or 5 years. I'm very proud of how tough each one of them were. My son had a bad concussion one time and he was doubting whether to continue or not. His mother and I supported whatever decision he made. The staff and cmc were very supportive and wanted him to do what was right for him. It all worked out. Anyway, if I'm selling crap then it is the best smelling crap you will have ever smelled.
 
CySoup said:
When did I ever claim CMC staff mistreated anyone? I'm pointing out that I'm sure CMC and staff are 100 x more responsible than the useless idiots like you posting here. They have trained staff that take care of their players, as it should be.
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Parents place their trust in staffs every summer when they head off to workouts after they graduate from hs. I trusted these guys then and trust them more now after the 5 year experience. They took a young somewhat immature kid and developed him into a hard working, caring, man who will be/is a great husband and employee. Playing football was a great decision for him. CySoup. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! relax. ISU are getting good coaches, but great men who care about their fellow man more than a damn football game. Enjoy what you have.
 
tolfbfan said:
Parents place their trust in staffs every summer when they head off to workouts after they graduate from hs. I trusted these guys then and trust them more now after the 5 year experience. They took a young somewhat immature kid and developed him into a hard working, caring, man who will be/is a great husband and employee. Playing football was a great decision for him. CySoup. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! relax. ISU are getting good coaches, but great men who care about their fellow man more than a damn football game. Enjoy what you have.
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You know by now that isn't our strength.
 
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