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I'm sure the brilliant minds over in Iowa City were saying the same thing to those kids who went to the hospital with Rhabdo. "Everyone before you did this", "Quit slacking, everyone else made it through the workouts". Sometimes ***** happens to people, and if you want medical care for our players to consist of players "draging" off other players who collapse then I can only hope that you two ******* idiots have nothing to do with youth sports, or high school sports.

Good lord....enough already. Go cheer for the badminton team. You clearly don't get football.
 
Good lord....enough already. Go cheer for the badminton team. You clearly don't get football.

Yep, because NOTHING BAD COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN......So giving a **** about the players is a crime around here?

Here are some other "lazy" football players. I mean a player only drops to the ground when they are "faking" and being "lazy" ya know.


Rod Williams
A 5-11, 300-pound junior offensive lineman known to crack up teammates by impersonating coaches, Rod Williams collapsed to the ground while waiting for his second or third turn taking on a blocking dummy in a Sept. 22 practice, according to Burke County (Ga.) High head football coach Eric Parker. It was the first drill of practice, approximately six or seven minutes in. The school’s athletic trainer, who Parker says monitors most of the team’s practices, administered CPR during an approximately seven or eight minute wait for paramedics to arrive. An ambulance took Williams to nearby Burke Medical Center, where doctors were able to stabilize him. He remained hospitalized until dying on Oct. 6.

Toney Graham
Toney Graham, who went by his middle name, Malik, and stood 6-4 and more than 300 pounds, hoped to skip the freshman football team this fall to try out for the varsity at Granite City (Ill.) High. On June 17, four days before his 14th birthday, Graham collapsed while partaking in what Granite City superintendent Jim Greenwald describes as “light stretching” before a voluntary conditioning workout in the school’s air-conditioned athletic complex. The team’s coaches and trainer called 911, and paramedics arrived on the scene within minutes, Greenwald said. (He believes a defibrillator was used.) Graham was taken to nearby Gateway Regional Medical Center, where he died less than two hours later.

Collin Kelly loved computer science, and he also loved football, which he began playing in seventh grade. On July 6, the 14-year-old offensive lineman took part in a no-helmet, no-pads conditioning practice to prepare for his sophomore season at Pike High in Indianapolis. At the end of the practice, one player told local ABC affiliate WRTV, the team ran 36 sideline-to-sideline “gassers.” Temperatures were in the mid-90s and humidity was around 50%. During a huddle after the drill, Kelly, whose father said he stood 6’1” and 190 pounds, fell to the ground. After teammates unsuccessfully tried to stand him up, the teammate told WRTV, nurses were summoned. According to his father, Chris Kelly, Collin was given CPR and taken by paramedics to nearby Peyton Manning Children’s Hospital. The next day he died of heat stroke. His father says Collin’s body temperature was 105 degrees.

Tekarian Maclin
A 6-3, 330-pound 16-year-old entering his junior year, Tekarian Maclin had been struggling during Haywood High’s summer practices in Brownsville, Tenn. On July 29, a reportedly “out of breath” Maclin called 911 from his team’s locker room at 11:28 a.m., some two hours after a full-pads practice was supposed to have ended, according to Maclin’s family’s attorney, Jeffrey Rosenblum. Maclin was nauseous and dizzy when EMTs arrived a short time later. His heart rate was measured at 180 beats per minute, and no body temperature was taken. According to Rosenblum, EMTs asked Maclin’s mother whether she wanted her son hospitalized or if she preferred to take him home to hydrate him; she opted for the latter. (Rosenblum says that Maclin’s mother was not asked to sign a form acknowledging she had been made aware of the potential severity of the situation.) Once at home, Maclin went to bathe and became unresponsive. His mother called an ambulance, which took Maclin to Le Bonheur Hospital in Memphis, where he was pronounced dead. The cause of death, Rosenblum says, was heat stroke and hyperthermia.

 
I'm sure the brilliant minds over in Iowa City were saying the same thing to those kids who went to the hospital with Rhabdo. "Everyone before you did this", "Quit slacking, everyone else made it through the workouts". Sometimes ***** happens to people, and if you want medical care for our players to consist of players "draging" off other players who collapse then I can only hope that you two ******* idiots have nothing to do with youth sports, or high school sports.

You're practically throwing a fit about something you have hardly any information about but I'm the ******* idiot? If I ever do have something to do with youth or high school sports, I sure hope I don't have to deal with any dramatic ******* like yourself.
 
You're practically throwing a fit about something you have hardly any information about but I'm the ******* idiot? If I ever do have something to do with youth or high school sports, I sure hope I don't have to deal with any dramatic ******* like yourself.

I'm throwing a fit about ignorant azz hats like you. Big difference dude. I doubt every much that CMC is nearly as ignorant as you, and so I have no worries about our players. I think tolfbfan is selling a load of crap to make his son seem "tough". All college football programs are tough, not just Toledo, or ISU.....get a clue.
 
I'm throwing a fit about ignorant azz hats like you. Big difference dude. I doubt every much that CMC is nearly as ignorant as you, and so I have no worries about our players. I think tolfbfan is selling a load of crap to make his son seem "tough". All college football programs are tough, not just Toledo, or ISU.....get a clue.

Nobody is saying that bad stuff like that never happens. It does. What we are saying is that assuming that tolfan's story was that extreme when chances are like you said he was probably exaggerating some is crazy.
 
So 2-9 is ok for next year? Puts us in the right direction?

So long as the culture and commitment are being set in place for long-term success it's ok with me. CMC has earned the right to put his plan and program into place since it has a track record of success.
 
Happy with three wins again? That would be terrible for recruiting. New coach, same product.

New coach, COMPLETELY different plan and historical results to boot. CMC has already recruited to a 8 win over 3 year team at a level far and above the previous regime. I trust his plan and I trust the man and his character and I trust his coaching staff.
 
Dude. I'm saying if we have 12-15 upperclassmen leave, we will have issues. Which will mean we have freshman starting in places they shouldn't. It won't help us next year.

Which is why I hope they don't leave because I think we will be good if we combine the two.

Next year is not a defining moment in CMC's program. The years following when he has his players in his system in his conditioning program with his commitment and his culture will be the important years for CMC and our program. If that means older players who have not signed on with the changes leave that just means more playing time for the younger kids who ARE committed and bought-in. THAT is where the value lies at this stage - buying in and giving yourself up to his vision.
 
LOL man, yeah some 18-22 year old kid have great medical training, and know exactly what is going on in all cases.

Coaches used to DENY water to kids, it was a sign of weakness to "drink water". We used to tell kids, not problem, go back out and play with that concussion, you gotta be "tough" We used to do lots of stupid things. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing better now. Letting other players "drag" a kid out of a workout after he collapsed from exhaustion (tolfbfan words not mine) isn't exactly the kind of medical treatment that we should be striving for at ISU.

If you can't see that, I'm not going to waste my time arguing it with you.

Speaking of wastes of time... You speak as if you were there and not just misinterpreting what the Father of a former Toledo player was relaying to us.

If you can find a single instance where CMC or his staff mistreated any player in any way please lay it on us.
 
New coach, COMPLETELY different plan and historical results to boot. CMC has already recruited to a 8 win over 3 year team at a level far and above the previous regime. I trust his plan and I trust the man and his character and I trust his coaching staff.

you do know the record of Toledo the year before he took over, right?
 
Good lord....enough already. Go cheer for the badminton team. You clearly don't get football.

Badminton? You mean the professional steroid league? THOSE guys are all juicing - so easy to tell. And I mean REALLY juicing with the Jack Lalaine juicemonster.
 
I'm sure the brilliant minds over in Iowa City were saying the same thing to those kids who went to the hospital with Rhabdo. "Everyone before you did this", "Quit slacking, everyone else made it through the workouts". Sometimes ***** happens to people, and if you want medical care for our players to consist of players "draging" off other players who collapse then I can only hope that you two ******* idiots have nothing to do with youth sports, or high school sports.

Post 1 instance where CMC or his staff mistreated any player ever.
 
Yep, because NOTHING BAD COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN......So giving a **** about the players is a crime around here?

Here are some other "lazy" football players. I mean a player only drops to the ground when they are "faking" and being "lazy" ya know.


Rod Williams
A 5-11, 300-pound junior offensive lineman known to crack up teammates by impersonating coaches, Rod Williams collapsed to the ground while waiting for his second or third turn taking on a blocking dummy in a Sept. 22 practice, according to Burke County (Ga.) High head football coach Eric Parker. It was the first drill of practice, approximately six or seven minutes in. The school’s athletic trainer, who Parker says monitors most of the team’s practices, administered CPR during an approximately seven or eight minute wait for paramedics to arrive. An ambulance took Williams to nearby Burke Medical Center, where doctors were able to stabilize him. He remained hospitalized until dying on Oct. 6.

Toney Graham
Toney Graham, who went by his middle name, Malik, and stood 6-4 and more than 300 pounds, hoped to skip the freshman football team this fall to try out for the varsity at Granite City (Ill.) High. On June 17, four days before his 14th birthday, Graham collapsed while partaking in what Granite City superintendent Jim Greenwald describes as “light stretching†before a voluntary conditioning workout in the school’s air-conditioned athletic complex. The team’s coaches and trainer called 911, and paramedics arrived on the scene within minutes, Greenwald said. (He believes a defibrillator was used.) Graham was taken to nearby Gateway Regional Medical Center, where he died less than two hours later.

Collin Kelly loved computer science, and he also loved football, which he began playing in seventh grade. On July 6, the 14-year-old offensive lineman took part in a no-helmet, no-pads conditioning practice to prepare for his sophomore season at Pike High in Indianapolis. At the end of the practice, one player told local ABC affiliate WRTV, the team ran 36 sideline-to-sideline “gassers.†Temperatures were in the mid-90s and humidity was around 50%. During a huddle after the drill, Kelly, whose father said he stood 6’1†and 190 pounds, fell to the ground. After teammates unsuccessfully tried to stand him up, the teammate told WRTV, nurses were summoned. According to his father, Chris Kelly, Collin was given CPR and taken by paramedics to nearby Peyton Manning Children’s Hospital. The next day he died of heat stroke. His father says Collin’s body temperature was 105 degrees.

Tekarian Maclin
A 6-3, 330-pound 16-year-old entering his junior year, Tekarian Maclin had been struggling during Haywood High’s summer practices in Brownsville, Tenn. On July 29, a reportedly “out of breath†Maclin called 911 from his team’s locker room at 11:28 a.m., some two hours after a full-pads practice was supposed to have ended, according to Maclin’s family’s attorney, Jeffrey Rosenblum. Maclin was nauseous and dizzy when EMTs arrived a short time later. His heart rate was measured at 180 beats per minute, and no body temperature was taken. According to Rosenblum, EMTs asked Maclin’s mother whether she wanted her son hospitalized or if she preferred to take him home to hydrate him; she opted for the latter. (Rosenblum says that Maclin’s mother was not asked to sign a form acknowledging she had been made aware of the potential severity of the situation.) Once at home, Maclin went to bathe and became unresponsive. His mother called an ambulance, which took Maclin to Le Bonheur Hospital in Memphis, where he was pronounced dead. The cause of death, Rosenblum says, was heat stroke and hyperthermia.


I don't see a single Cyclone nor Rocket among 'em. I knew a guy that hurt his knee once in high school playing football and it was super cereal. But it wasn't because of CMC.
 
Post 1 instance where CMC or his staff mistreated any player ever.

When did I ever claim CMC staff mistreated anyone? I'm pointing out that I'm sure CMC and staff are 100 x more responsible than the useless idiots like you posting here. They have trained staff that take care of their players, as it should be.
 
Yep, because NOTHING BAD COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN......So giving a **** about the players is a crime around here?

Here are some other "lazy" football players. I mean a player only drops to the ground when they are "faking" and being "lazy" ya know.


Rod Williams
A 5-11, 300-pound junior offensive lineman known to crack up teammates by impersonating coaches, Rod Williams collapsed to the ground while waiting for his second or third turn taking on a blocking dummy in a Sept. 22 practice, according to Burke County (Ga.) High head football coach Eric Parker. It was the first drill of practice, approximately six or seven minutes in. The school’s athletic trainer, who Parker says monitors most of the team’s practices, administered CPR during an approximately seven or eight minute wait for paramedics to arrive. An ambulance took Williams to nearby Burke Medical Center, where doctors were able to stabilize him. He remained hospitalized until dying on Oct. 6.

Toney Graham
Toney Graham, who went by his middle name, Malik, and stood 6-4 and more than 300 pounds, hoped to skip the freshman football team this fall to try out for the varsity at Granite City (Ill.) High. On June 17, four days before his 14th birthday, Graham collapsed while partaking in what Granite City superintendent Jim Greenwald describes as “light stretching†before a voluntary conditioning workout in the school’s air-conditioned athletic complex. The team’s coaches and trainer called 911, and paramedics arrived on the scene within minutes, Greenwald said. (He believes a defibrillator was used.) Graham was taken to nearby Gateway Regional Medical Center, where he died less than two hours later.

Collin Kelly loved computer science, and he also loved football, which he began playing in seventh grade. On July 6, the 14-year-old offensive lineman took part in a no-helmet, no-pads conditioning practice to prepare for his sophomore season at Pike High in Indianapolis. At the end of the practice, one player told local ABC affiliate WRTV, the team ran 36 sideline-to-sideline “gassers.†Temperatures were in the mid-90s and humidity was around 50%. During a huddle after the drill, Kelly, whose father said he stood 6’1†and 190 pounds, fell to the ground. After teammates unsuccessfully tried to stand him up, the teammate told WRTV, nurses were summoned. According to his father, Chris Kelly, Collin was given CPR and taken by paramedics to nearby Peyton Manning Children’s Hospital. The next day he died of heat stroke. His father says Collin’s body temperature was 105 degrees.

Tekarian Maclin
A 6-3, 330-pound 16-year-old entering his junior year, Tekarian Maclin had been struggling during Haywood High’s summer practices in Brownsville, Tenn. On July 29, a reportedly “out of breath†Maclin called 911 from his team’s locker room at 11:28 a.m., some two hours after a full-pads practice was supposed to have ended, according to Maclin’s family’s attorney, Jeffrey Rosenblum. Maclin was nauseous and dizzy when EMTs arrived a short time later. His heart rate was measured at 180 beats per minute, and no body temperature was taken. According to Rosenblum, EMTs asked Maclin’s mother whether she wanted her son hospitalized or if she preferred to take him home to hydrate him; she opted for the latter. (Rosenblum says that Maclin’s mother was not asked to sign a form acknowledging she had been made aware of the potential severity of the situation.) Once at home, Maclin went to bathe and became unresponsive. His mother called an ambulance, which took Maclin to Le Bonheur Hospital in Memphis, where he was pronounced dead. The cause of death, Rosenblum says, was heat stroke and hyperthermia.

Seriously, this drama needs to stop. We all know things like this can happen. However, the probability of these types of events actually occurring is very small. Precautions are taken and we must trust that this staff knows what they are doing. If you can't handle that then cheer for the Badminton team.
 
When did I ever claim CMC staff mistreated anyone? I'm pointing out that I'm sure CMC and staff are 100 x more responsible than the useless idiots like you posting here. They have trained staff that take care of their players, as it should be.

Where did anybody say it was ok for any staff to push their players too hard and put them in danger? Nobody here said anything like that. You just started throwing out random bs and attaching it to posters here. Seems like you're just in the mood to argue and make others look bad so have at it I guess.
 

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